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Snakestyles

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Wow were to start, i guess i need to explain why im here.I think i need to defend my self in some small way.It seems i was considered a rogue admin at SGS and i can assure you i resigned because i had no more time (due to work) to actually achive the type of "admin" work i allways loved so much.For me the admin rights i had at SGS we used to set up online events and comps like BFA (dod) Mapmadness (cs) and to create relationships between suppliers (intel,take2,ect) and SGS.The nitty gritty of being and admin was something i was usless at and usally joined and played games without my admin files installed for said games.Gamezone was full of soilt brats that had not a kind word to say,were very abusive and full of "**** on you mate" attitudes.

I used to log onto the forums and see gamers upset about conection speeds or game updates and i would get a kick out of helping them...that was the reward i got out of the many years i put into promoting SGS.I used to spam mweb gamzone forums with info relating to new servers and games hosted at SGS.I liked the "vibe" on the SGS server when i joined and back then it was two cs servers,with emaphsis on how you play and how much fun you have,not how crappy the other gamers are and how much you "own" them.Well over the years SGS has grown huge..its a bohemoth and its only the size it is due to support from all the likeminded gamers around S.A.

I would also like to mention that alot of the "no telkom" posting rules were around long before adsl.What i have come to learn over the years is that alot the public users at SGS have very distorted idea of how its run.Granted server space and connectivity is free but thats were it ends.All the servers you see and all the games you play on are sponsored by the games suppliers or admins themselves.There is no telkom/saix/telkom-internet budget for SGS and the day one of the three" try to take it over" it will close down.Its about as close to community run as you can get.

I know for a fact that Elyzium has been called into a boardroom to explain how much money he is personally making out of the venture and i can assure you its not a cent,maybe a few copies of a new game and thats about it.

With regards to freedom of speech and the way some of you gamers behave it would be great to have forum a section were you can moan and gripe all you like,infact there was one but alas u ****ed it up and now its closed down. Anyways the "e-thug" allways wins and most of you cannot be trusted to behave in an adult manner.The admin attitudes at SGS have evolved over the years, constant abuse,irc spamming , abusive emails and whatnot have pushed them to the limit.Its turned out to be alot like the zero tolerance campign in New York ( a huge success for NY i might add).You pushed them to the point were they just delete stuff that is not seen as content,worthy of space on the forums.It wasnt allways that way.

Look i know gamers and i know u lot of you ZA gamers more than you would like to believe.Most of you come from middle to upper middle income familys,you dont pay any bills,a maid makes your bed and garden staff mow the lawn,you goto some of the best schools in the country and you behave like the spoilt white brats that you are.If you are an adult working and playing games you probably come for said background.The only place you actually come across any type of authority is at SGS and when you get a slap on the hand its all about human rights and attempst at using the great constitution this country has to "get" your way.Laroosta is good example of this as i know for a fact that you were around and aware of the rules at SGS long before you got banned.You decided to stick ur pinky toe in the icy water and wow,a shark jumped up and took you leg off,never mind the big red sign that say "BEWARE!! HUNGRY SHARKS".

Its oh so easy to come here and moan and groan about somthing you have no true undstanding about (SGS how it works,who runs it and how fast it can be closed down) but at the end of the day you need to rise to the challenge that one of the other users here posted. What are your solutions and how do you plan to impliment them.

Just need end of with a kind reminder that even the best game hosting sites in the world have the same attitude and systems that SGS have.....goto jolt read the rules compare them to SGS and then reply to the thread.

oh rolfcake noobzor fatmouse these forums edit swearing out THATS AN OUTRAGE AND AN INFRINGMENT ON ME HUMAN RIGHTZORZ IN THE CONSTUTUION OF SOUTH AFRICA!!!!oneone1111!!!!!!
 
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Sneeky

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Snakestyles, thats a nice post. (edit: with the exception of your last line in your edit that is)
I dont think people are complaining about the rules and regs in general, as every site needs some guidelines that need to be followed. Thats quite understandable.
Rules + Regs and Censorship however, are very different in my opinion, as is criticism and blattant abusiveness, although I am sure that the Telkom minions might not agree.
I wouldnt put it as moaning or groaning either, at least I am not. Rather I see this as healthy debate, which is for all intents and purposes not possible on SGS site.
 
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Snakestyles:
Ohhh the "spoilt white brats" card; Please don't pretend you know anything about me. .... unlike you, who is obviously not too phased about the cost of ADSL (since this is your first post on MyADSL), I and many others will not be able to afford playing games on SGS anymore, because I, like many others, currently earn a middle income.

Go back to your pretentious world where you can live happily ever after with your generalised theories of life. You are one of those backboneless South Africans, that got eveyone else in this mess in the first place.

SGS:
I also love the way people passes the responsibility. If someone came up to me and critisised my work, I would go back and come up with a solution. Why? Because its MY JOB. Now and again someone might give some suggestions, but I don't DEMAND it from anyone. Its a pompous act, with intent to pass the responsibility. It's quite sad really.

Has anyone from SGS raised any concern over the November 1 pricing structure?

PS I know this topic has gone a bit stale, but this seems to be the only way to voice our oppinions and discuss this sensitive topic with a SGS admin.
 

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Must say I am not too impressed with snake for calling me white trash. :(

LaRoosTa said:
Has anyone from SGS raised any concern over the November 1 pricing structure?

Sorry, but why should they?

LaRoosTa, who have you raised your concerns about the current price of oil with? Surely, you have been in some form of transport that depends on oil in the last year.

I think you should grant them the freedom to raise it if they want or leave it if they do not want. And accept if they say they have no control over something. And in the mean time allow them to make sure SGS continues to exist, by avoiding the wrath of Telkom senior management, which will have only one result.
 

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Well seeing that some SGS people seem to be around, what's up with the local Steam content server or doesn't it exist any more?
 

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gkm, you're right. Why should they? It's my problem not theirs.

Thanks SGS for your great gaming service, it was fun. Maybe in the future we'll meet again. I have no hard feelings, you did what you had to do.
 

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From the neutral standpoint of a gamer with no views, opinions or desires other than to have fun playing games:
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online gaming is a huge part of my life.

If there was no SGS, there would be no online gaming.

no online gaming would mean a huge chunk of my life... gone. :(

please, for the sake of my life, and the life of all SA gamers. leave SGS alone.
 

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Evil_P said:
online gaming is a huge part of my life.
If there was no SGS, there would be no online gaming.
no online gaming would mean a huge chunk of my life... gone. :(
please, for the sake of my life, and the life of all SA gamers. leave SGS alone.
Actually Evil_P, that would be the start of your life. Think about it...
p.s. this is not an anti SGS comment, it's the BIG picture.
 

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Ahh the ol' cencorship descussion.

Speaking of which, probably the only (and main) reason why SGS is so big is because of, yes thats right! MORE cencorship...
One cannot even mention another servers IP/name other then sgs.
Not even a little 'ay fellas, come play a quick round of *whatever* on the ARENA77 server. IP is 196.whatever'

Get ready for a ban if you do.

Such a pity..
 

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Razer0 said:
Ahh the ol' cencorship descussion.

Speaking of which, probably the only (and main) reason why SGS is so big is because of, yes thats right! MORE cencorship...
One cannot even mention another servers IP/name other then sgs.
Not even a little 'ay fellas, come play a quick round of *whatever* on the ARENA77 server. IP is 196.whatever'

Get ready for a ban if you do.

Such a pity..

I agree it is immature if they do that.

EDIT: On second thoughts, if people post constant abuse saying gamers should rather play at some other service, I can understand that the forum moderators could get fed up, and make rules like that.
 
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Snakestyles

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Razer0 said:
Ahh the ol' cencorship descussion.

Speaking of which, probably the only (and main) reason why SGS is so big is because of, yes thats right! MORE cencorship...
One cannot even mention another servers IP/name other then sgs.
Not even a little 'ay fellas, come play a quick round of *whatever* on the ARENA77 server. IP is 196.whatever'

Get ready for a ban if you do.

Such a pity..

Actually thats wrong, it has alot to do with fact that there are no bills at the end of month for bandwith usage, any other isp would have trouble hosting all the servers and footing what would be huge bills for bandwith, that and the fact the none of the other isp's really see the gamers as profitable market.That i know from actually having had meetings with them.

Look this is the attitude im talking about, its not a bad one just misinformed.
 

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Arguments for and against censorship, but no resolve in sight.

SGS does seem exhalted and in bed with Telkom. It's like Telkom is holding the damn gaming community in this country ransom. "If you want to play games online ever again you BETTER not think nasty thoughts about how we completely drain you of your measly income" But the rich children dont mind (parents providing for them), as well as the other "more privileged".

I for one would not allow my boss to threaten me, even if he gives me free things. So, what is Telkom doing other than threatening us?

I understand the SGS point of view ("We dont want to lose it") but that still does not justify chopping peoples hands off for trying to do something about it. Gaming and ADSL is unfortunately COMPLETELY linked. You cannot seperate the two, since the only way to play online is in the control of the oppressor (ISDN, ADSL).

I also earn a small salary and i currently share a line with someone. With these prices going up and the service levels going DOWN (not being able to play WoW and GuildWars without getting Clipses Unshaped stuff) I will not be able to even share a line. So, this means that my online enjoyment is under threat and the ONLY one to blame is Telkom. SGS is not to blame, but some games i would like to play are hosted on SGS. Anybody else see the link between gaming, SGS and Telkom? Hope i'm not crazy...
 
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Whoops, i didnt mean it like THAT! The power over the servers!! Erk...

If you have your power removed by Telkom then who's gonna run the servers? Telkom Admins? Yeah right... get ready for some serious downtime.
 

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Andre said:
Well seeing that some SGS people seem to be around, what's up with the local Steam content server or doesn't it exist any more?

We are in discussions with Valve to try and get them to sort the server out. Unfortunately there's nothing we can do but nag, nag and nag some more. Having dealt with Valve personally, I can vouch for the fact that they take their damn time with everything. Need I remind people of HL2 release date, and DOD:S release date as proof of such? No, I'm sure you all remember that.

Razer0, and if I were to do the same on Mweb and Arena77, I'd receive similar treatment. Don't piss in someone else's pool, its disgusting and rude.

I'm quite tired of this whole discussion now, I've said and explained (and in some cases re-explained) as much as I can. I accept that if you're harboring hatred for SGS, and/or just flatly disagree with everything said, then you'll probably retain said opinions; and I can't change that. Our policies are straight-forward and we shall enforce them as such.
 

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Evil_P said:
If there was no SGS, there would be no online gaming.

Perhaps this is just what they lead you to believe to retain control and use this as leverage to strike fear into the hearts of 16 year olds around the country.

Like I said there is MWeb gamezone - and also, should SGS fizzel I'm sure people would quickly make a plan, which might even be better.

If SGS is a free service, outside of SAIX's reign - why the fear of Telkom postings? Surely there is a clause that free's SGS legaly from the content of the forum created by other users? Bit of a hole there. Why the fear of postings about other game servers? Another hole there, if its free why care?

There are no bills at the end of month for bandwith usage, any other isp would have trouble hosting all the servers and footing what would be huge bills for bandwith

Why would any other ISP have trouble hosting the servers? DiData or IS or any number of ISP's could provide the servers - its local traffic, they don't pay a cent for it. Infact, it would free up their peering to other networks that they have to pay millions of rands for, namely to SAIX.

Vie said:
I'm quite tired of this whole discussion now, I've said and explained (and in some cases re-explained) as much as I can.

Yes well, thats because you're just a pawn in the SGS admin game - you don't really know anything about what goes on. Get the real "CEO" here.
 

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Vie, for what its worth I actualy have a fair amount of respect for you as you have always conducted yourself in an appropriate manner at SGS, the same cannot be said of a few of the 'others', but thats beside the point.
I must say though that just because people challenge the rule of law from time to time it doesnt mean that they have a personal grudge, necessarily dislike SGS or are harboring some twisted personal hatred towards the place. Dont be to eager to categorize people.
I can think of many positive things to say about SGS, just because I disagree with ONE aspect of their service, doesnt make me the enemy.
The way this 'Telkom censorship at SGS' is being inforced is pedantic, thats my only gripe. :)
 
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Background: I'm a Game Admin for SGS for the Joint ops servers.
I do not like Telkom too much (do a search for my posts on this forum)
I may however be heavy into horse porn (as an example).
That does not mean I can come to this forum (MyADSL Forum) and post
pics and links of all my favourite scenes.

Horse Porn has no place on the MyAdsl forum,
just as telkom has no place on a gaming forum.
Like SJ has stated, we welcome critical posts about the GAMES and the SERVERS
(and I can point you to a couple where members of the JointOps
community have complained about the server settings of gimpy maps, etc, and
the admins have taken their posts, read them and tried to correct things as best
they could).

There is no point in posting about Telkom on the SGS forums,
there are other places for it,like me and my proverbial Horse Porn.

It has been SPECIFICALLY stated by the Forum Admins and yet people still disobey
and wonder why they get punished - that makes me think that some poeple are not as clever
as they reckon they are.

LaRoosta - you go on about GameZone. If you all don't like SGS so much then go play your games there.
Go post in the MWEB forums about how much you think Mweb sucks and see how far you get..

I'll be another person standing on whoevers doorstep if Telkom had to shut down SGS because they
grew tired of having gamers giving them negative publicity.

Remember - Horse porn isn't allowed here, Telkom posts aren't allowed on SGS..
Keep your posting to that simple guideline and there shouldn't be a problem.

Edit: Guys .. theres a place for everything. The SGS Forums are for posts about the games and the servers. The myadsl forums are for posts about telecommunication, the NAG and prophecy forums are for general community with a gaming slant, the iburst forums are for iburst.. get what I mean.
 
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