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On a side note, this forum will allow you to mention horse porn and whether you like or dislike it. As a matter of fact, we'll even be able to debate it Yeah, but If I had to start posting the pictures I recon I could start counting the seconds until the post got deleted and I found myself on the proverbial pavement...
Edit: and thats also the difference between this forum and SGS .. The one is blue, the other is green. (or use your colours/different obects of choice)
Edit: and thats also the difference between this forum and SGS .. The one is blue, the other is green. (or use your colours/different obects of choice)
Huh? Did you even read my posts? Not once have I mentioned MWEB or GameZone. Beside, how will I be able to "go on about GameZone" if I'm cancelling my ADSL?
I honestly can't understand where you got this idea that SGS has got absolutely nothing to do with Telkom.
SGS is a part of SAIX and SAIX is a part of Telkom. What you seem to forget is that you are a voluntary worker for Telkom and you have to obide to their rules or you'll get the boot otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion, now would we?
Sorry about the misquote.
but to the body of your post:
And so wheres the problem.
You know the rules now play the game...
If you don't like the rules, don't play.
Don't stand on the field and complain about the rules after reading the sign that says "Don't stand on the field and complain about the rules".
Get off the field and then complain where you are allowed to complain.
As for SGS being part of Telkom - yes they are. How does it change anything?
Are we puppets of Telkom? - Do the search, read my posts and tell me if I am.
When I go to my parents to visit, I don't walk round in my jocks like I might do at home..
but to the body of your post:
And so wheres the problem.
You know the rules now play the game...
If you don't like the rules, don't play.
Don't stand on the field and complain about the rules after reading the sign that says "Don't stand on the field and complain about the rules".
Get off the field and then complain where you are allowed to complain.
As for SGS being part of Telkom - yes they are. How does it change anything?
Are we puppets of Telkom? - Do the search, read my posts and tell me if I am.
When I go to my parents to visit, I don't walk round in my jocks like I might do at home..
Your arugment implies that all (online) game related talk is permitted on SGS. Does that not mean the "Buy, Sell & Swop", (possibly) "Gallery Area" , and "General Discussions" are against your rules?LordyHaHa said:
Also does your argument not mean that the posting of other online game services, such as gamezone, should be allowed (which I take from Karnaughs post it isn't).
Don't get me wrong, I have no say with the policies on SGS, since my time there has been very limited and I really have never run into this issue myself. I am purely trying to understand your arguement.
True - I didn't answer it ..
I take it that the Somethings on topic is a reference to Telkom.
The forum admins have requested that there be no posting
about Telkom so if there is a Topic or Post about Telkom there is a high
probability of it being deleted.
If the Admins decide tomorrow that there will be no postings about ice cream then so be it. I'd complain and say what does ice cream have to do with anything but that won't stop my posts getting deleted and me getting banned.
They have stated a number of times why they do not want Telkom related posts (They generally degrade into flamefests and the possibility of reprecussions from Telkom) and I reckon the community using their forums should respect that.
You could say that if SGS got shut down then someone else would start a gaming service. I disagree - The amount of bandwidth needed would cripple them from the start and they would never be able to afford their first months bill. They would probably have to charge a usage fee which would mean that the users would want a professional service which would mean employing Full time Game Admins and server admins. Too much money involved.
Along with that, it would leave all 500 odd BF2 players and the countless CSS players with very few quality servers in South Africa. everyone would be "forced" to play overseas and suffer lag issues.
Not quite the gamng experience I want.
There is that counter argument someones going to bring up ( and I think it has been already) that you ARE paying for SGS.
I disagree with that as well.
As has been stated - you are paying Telkom for your ADSL, etc. SAIX is part of Telkom and SGS may be part of Saix but as has been stated, they do NOT get a share of the budget (As far as I figured out).
Its like your ISP giving out free email adresses when you sign up - Its a bonus feature, not a given right or part of the contract (well - SGS isn't part of the contract when you get ADSL - emails might be when you sign up with an ISP).
I personally have never seen any Advertising linking an ADSL contract specifically with SGS.
I have seen ADSL being badly advertised as a gaming "platform" and I have a huge problem with that as a number gamers would love to play on overseas server but cannot because of lag. For local gaming I cannot fault it.
I hope that answeres it and a couple more..
(Remember - I'm a gamer and a game admin for SGS, not a Forum Admin, the views I express are not those of the SGS Forum Admins but I think they are pretty much in line with what they would be..)
I take it that the Somethings on topic is a reference to Telkom.
The forum admins have requested that there be no posting
about Telkom so if there is a Topic or Post about Telkom there is a high
probability of it being deleted.
If the Admins decide tomorrow that there will be no postings about ice cream then so be it. I'd complain and say what does ice cream have to do with anything but that won't stop my posts getting deleted and me getting banned.
They have stated a number of times why they do not want Telkom related posts (They generally degrade into flamefests and the possibility of reprecussions from Telkom) and I reckon the community using their forums should respect that.
You could say that if SGS got shut down then someone else would start a gaming service. I disagree - The amount of bandwidth needed would cripple them from the start and they would never be able to afford their first months bill. They would probably have to charge a usage fee which would mean that the users would want a professional service which would mean employing Full time Game Admins and server admins. Too much money involved.
Along with that, it would leave all 500 odd BF2 players and the countless CSS players with very few quality servers in South Africa. everyone would be "forced" to play overseas and suffer lag issues.
Not quite the gamng experience I want.
There is that counter argument someones going to bring up ( and I think it has been already) that you ARE paying for SGS.
I disagree with that as well.
As has been stated - you are paying Telkom for your ADSL, etc. SAIX is part of Telkom and SGS may be part of Saix but as has been stated, they do NOT get a share of the budget (As far as I figured out).
Its like your ISP giving out free email adresses when you sign up - Its a bonus feature, not a given right or part of the contract (well - SGS isn't part of the contract when you get ADSL - emails might be when you sign up with an ISP).
I personally have never seen any Advertising linking an ADSL contract specifically with SGS.
I have seen ADSL being badly advertised as a gaming "platform" and I have a huge problem with that as a number gamers would love to play on overseas server but cannot because of lag. For local gaming I cannot fault it.
I hope that answeres it and a couple more..
(Remember - I'm a gamer and a game admin for SGS, not a Forum Admin, the views I express are not those of the SGS Forum Admins but I think they are pretty much in line with what they would be..)
Last time that I checked, online gaming was done.... online. And being online in SA means Telkom. Online gaming also means good latency, therefore for the best possible latency you'd have to be a SAIX customer to experience the best gaming on SGS server? Stop me if I'm wrong at any point. Now, since gaming is online, and online means Telkom and SGS means SAIX and SAIX means Telkom and gaming means Telkom - how do you figure that Telkom, an integral part of gaming (it has a huge influence, unless you'd like to dispute that) has nothing to do with gaming forums?
I'd say it has more to do with SGS forums than anything to be honest.
Pleeeeeese, just spare us the crap and say what you really mean "G0d^WElyzium said no Telkom posts, so there shal be no Telkom posts"
I have taken the time to read the complete topic and what I see between the lines is that a certain amount of people have been removed from the SGS forums for causing *** and are now upset cause they can't post anymore and feel that they have been excluded from the SGS community. Have any of you banned folks contacted the gamesmaster and said sorry for your *** and asked to be unbanned?
I dont think so.
I was banned from the counter-strike servers one time for breaking some of their rules on the servers and mailed the gamesmaster and explained to him my situation. He said a simple appology for my actions would be good enough to get me unbanned, he also said I should ensure that in the future I abide by their rules on their servers. I formulated an appology mail and was unbanned and have had no problems from that point on.
The point I'm trying to make is that the SGS admins seem like a reasnoble bunch of guys if your willing to take the time to appologise for your mistakes I'm sure they will give you banned SGS memebers another chance. So rather than complain appologise for your mistakes and maybe you get another chance.
I dont think so.
I was banned from the counter-strike servers one time for breaking some of their rules on the servers and mailed the gamesmaster and explained to him my situation. He said a simple appology for my actions would be good enough to get me unbanned, he also said I should ensure that in the future I abide by their rules on their servers. I formulated an appology mail and was unbanned and have had no problems from that point on.
The point I'm trying to make is that the SGS admins seem like a reasnoble bunch of guys if your willing to take the time to appologise for your mistakes I'm sure they will give you banned SGS memebers another chance. So rather than complain appologise for your mistakes and maybe you get another chance.
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Nooit Lordy, if anything your post just strengthens the other side.
Any admin that decides tomorrow to ban talk about 'ice cream' is a dumbass and doesnt deserve to be an admin,,,,get my point.
Somebody else would never be able to set up a service to rival or take over from SGS as you claim people say,, and for the exact same reasons, cost of bandwidth. (pesky telkom again)
Forcing gamers to game overseas by removing SGS would just highlight the hectic costs and state of 'connectivity' in our country even more. Not in Telkoms interests really, but stranger things have happened.
As for 'free', man its none of my business where Ely gets his money from m8 but one thing is for sure, he doesnt work for nothing, and my money says he is paid by Telkom.
The only reason Telkom dont want anti Telkom talk at SGS is cause they dont have a defence to counter it.
In the greater scheme of things this is probably just a natural 'overflow' of the anti-Telkom sentiment that has been doing the rounds of late in the public sector and the press. Its not going to go away any time soon either one would guess, and perhaps a better strategy of dealing with it might just be a more attractive option.
edit: Defender, i have not been banned or have any issues with SGS.
Any admin that decides tomorrow to ban talk about 'ice cream' is a dumbass and doesnt deserve to be an admin,,,,get my point.
Somebody else would never be able to set up a service to rival or take over from SGS as you claim people say,, and for the exact same reasons, cost of bandwidth. (pesky telkom again)
Forcing gamers to game overseas by removing SGS would just highlight the hectic costs and state of 'connectivity' in our country even more. Not in Telkoms interests really, but stranger things have happened.
As for 'free', man its none of my business where Ely gets his money from m8 but one thing is for sure, he doesnt work for nothing, and my money says he is paid by Telkom.
The only reason Telkom dont want anti Telkom talk at SGS is cause they dont have a defence to counter it.
In the greater scheme of things this is probably just a natural 'overflow' of the anti-Telkom sentiment that has been doing the rounds of late in the public sector and the press. Its not going to go away any time soon either one would guess, and perhaps a better strategy of dealing with it might just be a more attractive option.
edit: Defender, i have not been banned or have any issues with SGS.
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Just a note on the relevance of horse porn... I think we all agree that it has nothing to do with MyADSL or SGS, but surely your PC hardware, your internet connection, your ISP and how much you pay for all of this is related to gaming? Karnaugh has made the good point, but let me bring it back into perspective...
You start by feeding your puppy out of your hand. The puppy grows into a dog. One day you are feeding the dog and it bites your hand really badly. You can do two things:
1. feed the dog with your hand the next day (and as the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy)
2. place the dog's food in a bowl on the floor
Of course, following option 1. could see you end up in the hospital this time and it's not entirely unlikely either! Option two is the safer option and the one most people would take.
I do think the opportunity for free speech at SGS, regarding Telkom, was abused, like the dog which bit the hand which fed him. This is where we find ourselves today.
You start by feeding your puppy out of your hand. The puppy grows into a dog. One day you are feeding the dog and it bites your hand really badly. You can do two things:
1. feed the dog with your hand the next day (and as the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy)
2. place the dog's food in a bowl on the floor
Of course, following option 1. could see you end up in the hospital this time and it's not entirely unlikely either! Option two is the safer option and the one most people would take.
I do think the opportunity for free speech at SGS, regarding Telkom, was abused, like the dog which bit the hand which fed him. This is where we find ourselves today.
eye_suc, you and I are on the same boat (except I don't share a line), but my leg has been bitten off by sharks that are protecting their waters.
What I truely cannot understand is that people say that the "white spoilt brats" can only moan and groan, yet I'm sacrificing my "connection to the world" not just for myself BTW, but for every single person that has ADSL. I am willing to DO something about OUR situation. I don't have to cancel my ADSL, but I refuse to be raped, day after day with the belief that tomorrow it will be different.
If you want to play the blame game: To those that are always telling people to STFU when they complain. You people ARE letting Telkom get away with it! You ARE responsible for putting everyone else into this position.
Now enlighten me; Who is the real "white spoilt brat" here?
If the owner beats the dog, the owner deserves to be put into hospital.
What I truely cannot understand is that people say that the "white spoilt brats" can only moan and groan, yet I'm sacrificing my "connection to the world" not just for myself BTW, but for every single person that has ADSL. I am willing to DO something about OUR situation. I don't have to cancel my ADSL, but I refuse to be raped, day after day with the belief that tomorrow it will be different.
If you want to play the blame game: To those that are always telling people to STFU when they complain. You people ARE letting Telkom get away with it! You ARE responsible for putting everyone else into this position.
Now enlighten me; Who is the real "white spoilt brat" here?
If the owner beats the dog, the owner deserves to be put into hospital.
Sneeky said:
True which is kinda what I was hoping you'd think and that why I added the piece that If I bitched, maoned and complained I would probably get banned. What I wouldn't do is then moan that I got banned for saying ice-cream after being told that it would get me in trouble.
You take the consequence of your actions.
Personally I can obey the rule to not mention "ice cream" just to keep the privledge of being able to come home and play on local servers. I suppose other have a problem doing that and thats why this thread is here..
Karnaugh said:
This is exactly right. The service SGS provide is nothing new, and I remember other hosts providing the same quality of service. Unfortunately, other companies don't have buckets of cash to throw around and are unable to provide these extras.
No. The SGS forums are about online gaming, so on topic is about online gaming. Telkom could be indirectly put into that as Karnaugh suggested, but I am not working on that logic. I am working on direct on topic, such as the postings about gamezone or other online gaming servers which I understand are removed.LordyHaHa said:
Agreed. But the admins will still be asked by many people to atleast explain their logic, which is what I am asking you to do. I am not asking you to change the rules or anything like that. Purely explain the logic. I suspect it is because it has been handed down from SAIX management to the forums admins in stone as a way to try and protect the SGS and SAIX brands. I also suspect the forum admins have never asked for the logic behind it out of fear of getting the boot.LordyHaHa said:
Thanks for clearing that up. I was not aware of it. As I said before my time with SGS was limited so I do not know the details.LordyHaHa said:
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Karnaugh said:
Jeez dood u talk alot of crap, have you read anything that i and others have said here......noooooo its all a big conspiracy, please pull your head out your ass and stop talking crap.You have goddam answers for everything,twisted and distorted by your small minded view of how you think things work and how you think they should work.Please do us all a favour and goto DIDATA or IS and setup this service you think they could so easily host.There is no goddam CEO at SGS its one guy at SAIX who has permission from his boss to host gameservers,the rest are members of the public who help out were they can.You my friend are big bag of hot air.I challenge you to do something,channel that anger into something positive,infact if you spent half the time you do slamming SGS and talking crap,into actually setting up a new service it would be up and running.Godforbid you do that because all you know how to do is come up with lame ass theorys and complaints.Come on big boy show us how its done.
DONT TALK ABOUT IT DO IT!!!!!
you ####.
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