Should businesses be offering discounts to vaccinated people?

Should businesses be offering discounts to vaccinated people?

  • Yes

    Votes: 225 53.3%
  • No

    Votes: 165 39.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 32 7.6%

  • Total voters
    422

Solarion

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George Orwell must be clawing his way out of his coffin by now to come back and say I told you so.

 

JohnStarr

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It's not assumptions but peer reviewed scientific research. Funny how that's no longer good enough for you people that keep clinging to false narratives.
Uh-uh...don't go there. You're incredibly quick along with Geoffy to disregard anything that goes against IVM. You're incredibly quick to lambast doctors and other medical staff properly trained and dealing with patients in ICU every day (do you? Answer = no, and Sim Hospital doesn't count) and shame them on the forum.
Don't open that can of worms for yourself.

Again...and I've asked this before and you were unable to answer then: Where have I clung to any false narratives? Where have I stated on this forum that I don't believe in the research?
 

jucedupp

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How does that relate to what I said? It doesn't. You people also keep spewing this same BS without anything to back it up. Vaccines don't stop the virus so they don't stop mutations.
POINT: They don't CAUSE mutations. NOBODY said they stop them directly. What stops them is the virus not running rampant - WHICH IS WHAT CAUSES MUTATIONS. VACCINES stop the virus from running rampant. Quit moving the goalpost.
We don't know. Mutation is still poorly understood but not random. Vaccines put environmental pressure on the virus that could cause it to mutate.

No, it isn't poorly understood. Quit projecting. Vaccines put ZERO pressure on the virus. That is not how vaccines work.

Again wrong on all points even after I just showed you. But hey continue to ignore everything the researchers have to say on it. Mutations are not random. Mutations are induced by environmental stressors. Mutations can be specific to overcoming the environmental stresses. That is not an argument against vaccination but stop spreading fake news that unvaccinated is causing mutations and that vaccinating can stop it.
You showed nothing. You keep conflating bacteria and viruses. There is no validity to your environmental stressors argument in this context. Quit blathering on about stuff you don't (can't?) get.

No, mutations are not an argument for vaccinating or not vaccinating. The doomsdayers should just stop with this mutation narrative.

Which includes you with this "environmental stressor may cause mutations" conflated with the falsity that "vaccines cause environmental pressure". What UTTER, uneducated bullshit.

It's not assumptions but peer reviewed scientific research. Funny how that's no longer good enough for you people that keep clinging to false narratives.
The only false narrative here is yours.
 
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PsyWulf

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POINT: They don't CAUSE mutations. NOBODY said they stop them directly. What stops them is the virus not running rampant - WHICH IS WHAT CAUSES MUTATIONS. VACCINES stop the virus from running rampant. Quit moving the goalpost.


No, it isn't poorly understood. Quit projecting. Vaccines put ZERO pressure on the virus. That is not how vaccines work.


You showed nothing. You keep conflating bacteria and viruses. There is no validity to your environmental stressors argument in this context. Quit blathering on about stuff you don't (can't?) get.



Which includes you with this "environmental stressor may cause mutations" conflated with the falsity that "vaccines cause environmental pressure". What UTTER, uneducated bullshit.


The only false narrative here is yours.
Along with Swa's maaaaany many many many failings
His grasp of correlation vs causation is shockingly lacking for a "conscientious objector"
Next up on ridiculous stretches of causality: breathing air causes death eventually in 100% of people
 

Swa

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Uh-uh...don't go there. You're incredibly quick along with Geoffy to disregard anything that goes against IVM. You're incredibly quick to lambast doctors and other medical staff properly trained and dealing with patients in ICU every day (do you? Answer = no, and Sim Hospital doesn't count) and shame them on the forum.
Don't open that can of worms for yourself.

Again...and I've asked this before and you were unable to answer then: Where have I clung to any false narratives? Where have I stated on this forum that I don't believe in the research?
There you go again going against the research.

POINT: They don't CAUSE mutations. NOBODY said they stop them directly. What stops them is the virus not running rampant - WHICH IS WHAT CAUSES MUTATIONS. VACCINES stop the virus from running rampant. Quit moving the goalpost.
We don't fcking know, mkay. Vaccines could cause mutations. LOL at "moving the goalposts".

No, it isn't poorly understood. Quit projecting. Vaccines put ZERO pressure on the virus. That is not how vaccines work.
Yes it it. Also vaccines do put pressure on the virus if they work like they are supposed to as the virus then has to evade the effect to continue spreading, that is almost universally agreed.

You showed nothing. You keep conflating bacteria and viruses. There is no validity to your environmental stressors argument in this context. Quit blathering on about stuff you don't (can't?) get.
You miss the point. Antibiotics can induce mutations in bacteria which was a previously unknown effect. Vaccines can induce mutations in viruses and bacteria as well.

Which includes you with this "environmental stressor may cause mutations" conflated with the falsity that "vaccines cause environmental pressure". What UTTER, uneducated bullshit.
Uneducated is the ones constantly blaming the unvaccinated. There is no reason for that BS that keeps on dividing people. Just stop it.
 

JohnStarr

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There you go again going against the research.


We don't fcking know, mkay. Vaccines could cause mutations. LOL at "moving the goalposts".


Yes it it. Also vaccines do put pressure on the virus if they work like they are supposed to as the virus then has to evade the effect to continue spreading, that is almost universally agreed.


You miss the point. Antibiotics can induce mutations in bacteria which was a previously unknown effect. Vaccines can induce mutations in viruses and bacteria as well.


Uneducated is the ones constantly blaming the unvaccinated. There is no reason for that BS that keeps on dividing people. Just stop it.
In what way did I? Please refrain from some half-assed, half-baked, desperate attempt to find something there isn't.

PS: Research goes both ways you know. Right?
 

jucedupp

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There you go again going against the research.
You haven't ever been in the same hemisphere as valid research.
We don't fcking know, mkay. Vaccines could cause mutations. LOL at "moving the goalposts".
WE DO KNOW. There is NO mechanism in any vaccine that can cause viral mutation. Cannot happen, does not happen, has never happened, no way for it to happen. Quit repeating idiotic statements.
Yes it it. Also vaccines do put pressure on the virus if they work like they are supposed to as the virus then has to evade the effect to continue spreading, that is almost universally agreed.
BULLSHIT. Viruses don't evade anything. THAT IS NOT HOW EVOLUTION WORKS. GET A DAMN BASIC EDUCATION.
You miss the point. Antibiotics can induce mutations in bacteria which was a previously unknown effect. Vaccines can induce mutations in viruses and bacteria as well.
NO THEY CAN'T. Stop talking kak.
Uneducated is the ones constantly blaming the unvaccinated. There is no reason for that BS that keeps on dividing people. Just stop it.
 
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Venomous

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Game recently announced that it will be awarding vaccinated customers discounts on all of its products as part of its Vax Appreciation Wednesdays campaign. Should businesses be offering discounts to vaccinated people?
I would not be able to access such benefits untill potentially May next year or mid june then if they want full vaccination.

I got covid just before they opened the age bracket that would have allowed me to have thr vaccination.
I then ended up in hospital, and had a hard fight. Almost didn't make it, but then I fought harder and pulled through.
My lungs need 6 months to heal and have been advised that as my lungs were/are that weak I should wait another 90 days, before letting them stab my arm.

So right now I have no choice, I will remain unvaccinated for the better part of a year.

I am also extremely vulnerable to the common cold, with a potentially dissasterous out come.

Another run with any other (had delta) version of covid will only go one way...
 
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Little Mac

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Watch all of you see the BS in December A new wave, a new variant and infections running rife through the ranks of the vaxxed and unvaxxed anyway, Might reduce deaths though but protect the vaxxed from getting it and testing positive, forget it.
Well duh. Prevent deaths, serious illness and hospitalisation.
That not good enough for you?
 

Little Mac

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Well, as with covid deaths, a number of the deaths attributed to the vaccine are amongst people who were going to die anyway. I mean people get blood clots and died everyday, long before covid and covid vaccines, didn't they?
There are people who aren't going to die?
 

PsyWulf

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My lungs need 6 months to heal and have been advised that as my lungs were/are that weak I should wait another 90 days, before letting them stab my arm.

So right now I have no choice
About the only valid argument for not being vaccinated currently
 

Venomous

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About the only valid argument for not being vaccinated currently
Apparently some people get chesty from the jab, and that will be bad for me.

When they removed the intubation stuff from my chest a physio had to be called. She helped me remove a sewer load full of gunk from my chest.
Had physio daily for the next 2 weeks, while still in hospital. Lungs are still very weak. Can't afford to even get the basic common cold.
 

PsyWulf

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Apparently some people get chesty from the jab, and that will be bad for me.

When they removed the intubation stuff from my chest a physio had to be called. She helped me remove a sewer load full of gunk from my chest.
Had physio daily for the next 2 weeks, while still in hospital. Lungs are still very weak. Can't afford to even get the basic common cold.
Yeah it's why you're monitored for 30mins after, anaphylaxis reactions should occur fairly quickly (the headaches,sweats,rapid breathing) it's pretty rare for serious cases (measured per 100k) and even rarer for needing medical attention
You're a good example why people actively sitting and waiting for covid to strike without trying prophylaxis that's available for them is absolutely stupid :(
 

Venomous

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Yeah it's why you're monitored for 30mins after, anaphylaxis reactions should occur fairly quickly (the headaches,sweats,rapid breathing) it's pretty rare for serious cases (measured per 100k) and even rarer for needing medical attention
You're a good example why people actively sitting and waiting for covid to strike without trying prophylaxis that's available for them is absolutely stupid :(
And when I went into hospital I had not even coughed once, no sneeze or nose run. Still had smell and taste.
Yet xrays revealed covid pneumonia. I was fatigued and had extreme temps.

And the only reason I got to hospital when I did was cos I took someone to get more meds. Dr looked at me and insisted on assessing me.
Oxygen was 56-58 over 15min, and im assuming he must have heard something in my lungs.
Got to hospital by 16:00 Fri. Before lunch Sat things started going wrong. By 20:00 Sun 18 July 2021 my family was called to do last rights and/or say goodbye.

Somehow I made it against all expectations. :) :) :)

So yeah, it could have been less severe if I could have been vaccinated before getting ill.

People must also stop being asses. Everyone must wear their masks CORRECTLY. Not open nose or below the chin. And when people feel unwell they should stay home(testing, dr are ok) until they can either confirm if covid or something else.
So no work, school, shops(most food shops and pharmacies deliver), socialising for a few days.
 
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