Should businesses fire employees who refuse to vaccinate against Covid?

Should businesses fire employees who refuse to vaccinate against Covid?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 22.8%
  • No

    Votes: 226 67.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 32 9.6%

  • Total voters
    334

ChuckMeFarley

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No, I am not anti vax but, unless the vaccine provides total immunity, how is me not getting the shot actually going to do harm to others if they can still contract covid?
 

LazyLion

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We are under the control of a socialist government..... expecting them to not act like socialists especially if they have been doing so since the start of the "pandemic" is delusional.

They are not reacting like morons.... they are actively acting like socialists finishing a National Democratic Revolution.
OK Hitler... whatever, I'm out... I don't debate with nutjobs. See the Pigeon on the chess board analogy.
 

rambo919

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I said other, my issue is more you putting other colleagues at risk instead.
So if you don't want the vaccine, you'll have to permanently wear a mask.
Except that the "vaccines" don't stop your colleages being "at risk".... you still have to wear a mask.
 

rambo919

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OK Hitler... whatever, I'm out... I don't debate with nutjobs. See the Pigeon on the chess board analogy.
You can't even keep your ad homnyms straight..... it was communist states that did the re-education camps.... the nazi's did extermination work-camps.
 

WollieVerstege

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As a company owner i'm not going to fire anyone for it. Its the staff's choice an so far thankfully 99% of the staff want to get vaccinated ASAP. The 1% who believe in quackery and other nonsense will just have to wing it, because one thing i'm not going to accept is "I can't go to clients to do work or the office when required because i am not vaccinatng because I believe in the tooth fairy".

Even the side-effects, there's people saying they might get a rash and don't want the vaccine. You know what else gives you a rash? The varnish in the wood of the coffin.
So, if your unvaccinated employee infects a customer and that customer goes onto social media and starts pointing fingers, what do you do?
As a business owner myself, that is my concern. If I can prove my employees are all vaccinated, then all good. If I can't, especially the employee this Karen interacted with, it can do considerable reputational damage.
 

Johnatan56

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Except that the "vaccines" don't stop your colleages being "at risk".... you still have to wear a mask.
Edited my post in regards to lockdown stats.

Pfizer/BioNTech say data suggests vaccine 94% effective in preventing asymptomatic infection​

Etc.

The continued mask bit for most is just because how are you supposed to enforce having mask and not having mask when entering stores, etc., and note that's effective transmission rates, you can still reduce that using a mask.
It's not a case of vaccine or mask, you can do both.
 

rambo919

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So, if your unvaccinated employee infects a customer and that customer goes onto social media and starts pointing fingers, what do you do?
As a business owner myself, that is my concern. If I can prove my employees are all vaccinated, then all good. If I can't, especially the employee this Karen interacted with, it can do considerable reputational damage.
I can see people mass-quitting their jobs and taking their chances once this kind of corporate thinking get's off the ground.... and I can see masses of people giving in and taking the jab.

This is going to re-organize corporate workforces.
 

Polymathic

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Nothing was moved, it's the same kind of logic.

EDIT: both applications of the logic are also the same, both are "if you are a good example of the herd then you have nothing to worry about, if you stand out we would rather not have you in the herd anyway"
If you don't want to be in the "herd" there's nobody stopping you from excluding yourself from it.
 

ChuckMeFarley

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So, if your unvaccinated employee infects a customer and that customer goes onto social media and starts pointing fingers, what do you do?
As a business owner myself, that is my concern. If I can prove my employees are all vaccinated, then all good. If I can't, especially the employee this Karen interacted with, it can do considerable reputational damage.
If you can't keep your employees tongues out of the customers mouth then there's bigger problems.
Karen should have wore a mask!

Sorry that was just me taking the piss a bit :).
 

rambo919

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Edited my post in regards to lockdown stats.


Etc.

The continued mask bit for most is just because how are you supposed to enforce having mask and not having mask when entering stores, etc., and note that's effective transmission rates, you can still reduce that using a mask.
It's not a case of vaccine or mask, you can do both.
Those suggestions have not been proven either, the current roll out is the beta test. Even if it was 94% it still does not completely stop the spread. This is at best insurance for the company where the worker has no say, it's a violation of personal rights.

Then the logic (in some of the vaccines) comes in of strains meaning that employers will have to force mandated yearly jabs so that all virus definitions are equally updated..... it's going to create an extra layer of compliance tyranny.

Currently it's two jabs..... by end next year it will be 3 or 4 jabs.

And we all know of the AZ disaster where people who got that jab are being banned from flying.
 

WollieVerstege

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I can see people mass-quitting their jobs and taking their chances once this kind of corporate thinking get's off the ground.... and I can see masses of people giving in and taking the jab.

This is going to re-organize corporate workforces.
Well it is not new thinking at all. Has been going on for ever already.
If I require employees to travel to a malaria prone area, they are already required to take the malaria meds before they leave. Same with pretty much everything else. Yellow fever jab, etc. Fortunately all of my employees are smart enough to take the jab when it becomes available to them
 

Prawnapple

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Absolutely not. Let the unvaccinated come to work and dwell amongst the vaccinated.

Then, watch them fall like flies and wonder why. The vaccinated have nothing to fear. The unvaccinated have everything to fear. Also, remove the Mask Mandate for vaccinated individuals who can prove their vaccination.

#SurvivalOfTheFittest
#AsJyDomIsGaanJyKak

On the other hand... if you're unvaccinated, and you come to work, and you get sick because of being a retard who doesn't want to get vaccinated, you are putting strain on those who are vaccinated and thus are able to work..... so maybe **** em'. There needs to be at least some pressures put on the unvaccinated to get them to vaccinate, so we can all get this over with and carry on with our lives. That, or we can lockdown for the forseeiable future (Not ideal).
 
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neoprema

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So, if your unvaccinated employee infects a customer and that customer goes onto social media and starts pointing fingers, what do you do?
As a business owner myself, that is my concern. If I can prove my employees are all vaccinated, then all good. If I can't, especially the employee this Karen interacted with, it can do considerable reputational damage.
That is true, but i'm talking in the context of once its accepted that all those who wanted to be vaccination have been.
Until that point then yes, it is a risk reputational.
 

rambo919

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Well it is not new thinking at all. Has been going on for ever already.
If I require employees to travel to a malaria prone area, they are already required to take the malaria meds before they leave. Same with pretty much everything else. Yellow fever jab, etc. Fortunately all of my employees are smart enough to take the jab when it becomes available to them
The difference here is the area involved is global, there is no escaping it.
 

WollieVerstege

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If you can't keep your employees tongues out of the customers mouth then there's bigger problems.
Karen should have wore a mask!

Sorry that was just me taking the piss a bit :).
Haha, the issue is not where Karen actually got infected it is whether I can prove it wasnt me when she says so. Social media is a female dog, or a Karen.
 

rambo919

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Absolutely not. Let the unvaccinated come to work and dwell amongst the vaccinated.

Then, watch them fall like flies and wonder why. The vaccinated have nothing to fear. The unvaccinated have everything to fear. Also, remove the Mask Mandate for vaccinated individuals how can prove their vaccination.

#SurvivalOfTheFittest
#AsJyDomIsGaanJyKak
I am fine with this.... if they start recording death "with covid" along with if those people were also vaccinated.

To not do so is to fuel fear because many will assume that those dying have not been vaccinated... it will snowball.
 

neoprema

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Those suggestions have not been proven either, the current roll out is the beta test. Even if it was 94% it still does not completely stop the spread. This is at best insurance for the company where the worker has no say, it's a violation of personal rights.

Then the logic (in some of the vaccines) comes in of strains meaning that employers will have to force mandated yearly jabs so that all virus definitions are equally updated..... it's going to create an extra layer of compliance tyranny.

Currently it's two jabs..... by end next year it will be 3 or 4 jabs.

And we all know of the AZ disaster where people who got that jab are being banned from flying.
I understand the need for personal rights, which is why i'm forcing myself to be compassionate about it. And also there's some rights I want which i know others don't but you have to give to take.

Because if i had my way we'de be rounding those who refuse at gunpoint to be vaccinated.
 
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