Should QdK have taken a knee?

Do you think QdK should have taken a knee as required by CSA?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 16.2%
  • No

    Votes: 285 83.8%

  • Total voters
    340

stefan9

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Yes, what QDK must understand is we living in a time of tokenism, virtue signaling and wokeness. Regardless of our beliefs and values, we need to uphold the façade.

But seriously, he is a previous captain and senior player. His teammates have most likely been subjected to some form of discrimination in the past and/or recently. Not all players of colour in the squad are former Saints boys with lawyer fathers. It seems odd to me that he would not consider their feelings or where they stand/kneel on the subject? It also seems odd to me that he would leave them in the lurch mere hours before a must win world cup fixture. Sometimes you need to take one for the team de Kock.

CSA is not blameless either. Why wait 90 minutes before a must win world cup fixture to announce the directive making kneeling mandatory?? These clowns have learnt absolutely nothing from past world cup calamities. Always looking for an opportunity to score an own goal!! Malakas!!! 18 months they've had to sort this s hit out!!!

Also seems odd to me that he would jeopardize his career over something as benign as taking the knee? The ideologies of the BLM are certainly not benign but the physical act of taking a knee is. Why wouldn't he? Is he opposed to BLM? Is he a raving racist? Does he support the concept of BLM but objects to taking a knee for religious or other reasons? Like, we need some answers de KOCK.
Got kg's dad's proffesion wrong. He is a neurosurgeon not lawyer.
Rest I totally agree.
 

stefan9

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One of those likely the primary reason. It may be a secondary reason that he's fed up of working for CSA (fair enough) and wants to cut ties with them to become a league specialist. This way he can “do an AB” without having to face all the flak that AB faced for retiring in his prime.
If he wants to go that route then this way of doing it is a very bad idea.
All the leagues have policies of inclusivity don't think employing qdk after this is a good look for many teams.
 

3WA

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If he wants to go that route then this way of doing it is a very bad idea.
All the leagues have policies of inclusivity don't think employing qdk after this is a good look for many teams.

I'm sure a league will brush it under the carpet. Scott Kuggeleijn got an IPL contract, and he's much more controversial than de Kock.
 

TelkomUseless

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If it was to support from stopping racism, and SA stops BEE/AA implementation.. then yea.

if it's only one way (like now).. then don't bend the knee.
 

stefan9

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I'm sure a league will brush it under the carpet. Scott Kuggeleijn got an IPL contract, and he's much more controversial than de Kock.
Whole Indian team took the knee and Kieran pollard is his vice captain at MI. Doudt they approve of this.

Chris Gayle got canceled by bbl for saying something that can interpreted as "sexist" to a reporter.

The scott one is complicated due to him twice being acquitted at trial.
 

3WA

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Whole Indian team took the knee and Kieran pollard is his vice captain at MI. Doudt they approve of this.

Chris Gayle got canceled by bbl for saying something that can interpreted as "sexist" to a reporter.

The scott one is complicated due to him twice being acquitted at trial.

We have to wait and see. But Gayle's wildly inappropriate actions at the BBL didn’t lead to him getting cancelled at the IPL. And we already knew that QdK doesn’t want to take the knee, from the time of the WI tour, so it's not like we really learnt something new about his beliefs, just his level of commitment to them.

Frankly I don't think teams will walk away from the competitive advantage that a good wicket-keeper and opening batsman provides. Guys like Warner (punching Root in the face), Stokes (assault charges) have had controversy without harming their careers. Alex Hales is an interesting exception to what I'm saying, so maybe it is possible to get cancelled if a player is divisive enough.
 

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There is no place for politics or race in sports. Rather close the National Team and move on without sports.
 

rvZA

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And, lastly, you do not kneel or bow to any person or race. No black man or any other race is worthy of it. It is not a sign of respect or being sorry, it is a sign of submission and acknowledgement that they are superior, which they are not.
 

Kosmik

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Totally no. It should never have been dictated in the first place. If people choose to or acknowledge , that is their choice and whatever their grounds are but to dictate it , is to take the freedom of choice away and leaves a individual no other choice but to withdraw.

I listened to a conversation on East Coast this morning while dropping the kids off and was a bit shocked about how this was being portrayed. The one presenter basically went into a long explanation about how its a choice and there could be many reasons as to why he didn't do it and folks need to hear those first and then does a 180 with the phrase that he was totally and wholly wrong, that "he should have taken one for the team and just done it". Firstly, what a hollow gesture that would be and secondly, you just spoke about a person having choices and then they must sacrifice that choice to conform? Really?

I don't know the reasons why he chooses not to but one thing I can respect is the mans integrity, right or wrong, he has a belief/opinion and will not concede for the sake of conformity . Folks need to understand differences between ethics, morality and integrity. What was also annoying was the fact that the presenter was more about,"oh, its a lack of education, we need to educate them more about the issues of racism and then they will do it" versus actually asking and speaking to the person about it. I'm not a "woke" person but it sounded A LOT like the whole mansplaining thing :p
 

ShaunSA

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Whole Indian team took the knee and Kieran pollard is his vice captain at MI. Doudt they approve of this.

Chris Gayle got canceled by bbl for saying something that can interpreted as "sexist" to a reporter.

The scott one is complicated due to him twice being acquitted at trial.

The Indian team are w@nkers. Everyone's seen their hypocrisy
 

RunningFromFat

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I listened to a conversation on East Coast this morning while dropping the kids off and was a bit shocked about how this was being portrayed. The one presenter basically went into a long explanation about how its a choice and there could be many reasons as to why he didn't do it and folks need to hear those first and then does a 180 with the phrase that he was totally and wholly wrong, that "he should have taken one for the team and just done it". Firstly, what a hollow gesture that would be and secondly, you just spoke about a person having choices and then they must sacrifice that choice to conform? Really?
I heard this as well. Sky Tshabalala is the sports guy and not a main presenter. He didn't make much sense to me either.
 

Kosmik

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I heard this as well. Sky Tshabalala is the sports guy and not a main presenter. He didn't make much sense to me either.
His wanting to educate people popped a nerve for me. Like, you can't have a different opinion, you must be wrong, let me show you how wrong.

I'm sounding old but a lot of younger folks these days are:

1. Scared to have an independent opinion
2. Unable to cope with failure, if something is slightly difficult, give up and do something else.
3. Actually work through something and learn from where it goes wrong and right
 
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