Should state or organisations decide what we watch? - TopTV board

Is the ICASA vs. TopTV Playboy TV matter a principle issue?

  • Yes, it is a matter of principle

    Votes: 63 73.3%
  • No, it's really just about porn

    Votes: 23 26.7%

  • Total voters
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wily me

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Not really, no. You merely misinterpreted it.

As an aside, seeing that you're a fan of the State regulating what you can and cannot view, I suggest you move:

I would love to as then I can then become an South African colonial "master" again in the future. Holland will be more to the liking's of those that want to "free" drugs and porn in this country, not?
 

Lycanthrope

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Within "guidelines" from the state.
/facepalm

There are different "guidelines" for free-to-air television and subscription-based/content-controlled television.

The state also has no right to determine "guidelines" for the latter. Those "guidelines" are also determined by the BCCSA (an independent entity), not the state.

And unless the latter is criminal, the state has no right to intervene without criminalising other vices (because that's how it works when you fire blindly at everything you don't personally like).

Well then when it come to porn I agree with that bunch of "apes" you are referring to. Tell us, what bunch of apes did you exactly have in mind? Only those without matric?

So what does that say about you, fighting your right to watch porn on TV with all might? If that is so important to you, you should join a lobby group to advocate for porn on TV.
It's a fight for freedom and liberty, a fight for individual autonomy, something you clearly take for granted or completely fail to understand.
 

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I stopped watching TV years ago because all the pornography. The main offender is the SABC with their reports from parliament. The full frontal and even close up footage of our politicians debases the human race to such an extend that I became physically sick at the sight of it. I cannot imagine how it must feel to have animated images of Zuma or Malema befouling my living space. What makes it worse is that it is child pornography or at least the participants seemed to have the cumulative mentality of a small child. My point is who gets to define what is pornographic or offensive ? Surely it is highly subjective issue?
 

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Whats wrong with the capitalism concept?

If people want to watch they with subscribe and the station will make money. If they don't want to watch they won't subscribe and if the channel does not make enough money they will cancel it.
 

HapticSimian

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I would love to as then I can then become an South African colonial "master" again in the future. Holland will be more to the liking's of those that want to "free" drugs and porn in this country, not?
Don't even recognise the flag, do ya?

You're wrong on this; just accept it and move on. The decision on this matter sets a precedent not dissimilar to what this country's already experienced once before...

ICASA is inept and corrupt, and having inept and corrupt people in charge of telecoms is something we should all reel against. Just because you happen not to be particularly fazed about this particular issue (neither am I, truth be told) it doesn't make the larger issue of government control and censorship any less worrying.
 

wily me

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/facepalm

There are different "guidelines" for free-to-air television and subscription-based/content-controlled television.

The state also has no right to determine "guidelines" for the latter. Those "guidelines" are also determined by the BCCSA (an independent entity), not the state.

And unless the latter is criminal, the state has no right to intervene without criminalising other vices (because that's how it works when you fire blindly at everything you don't personally like).



It's a fight for freedom and liberty, a fight for individual autonomy, something you clearly take for granted or completely fail to understand.
"guidelines" in quotes? Clearly it is just to difficult to comprehend? Do you really think the government do not influence these "independent" organizations?

As for "freedoms and liberty" like in Holland or some other countries Europe? Great!
 

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Pornography is a red herring. It's about the principle. An argument can be made for vetting and approving open channels, but anything where someone has to choose it, pay a subscription and use a decoder which also gives them the power to further control who has access requires no regulation beyond perhaps bandwidth allocation, if applicable.

Protecting children has to be carried out in a very limited manner, because in reality the protecting the children excuse if taken to it's logical extreme means prohibiting everything not suitable for children. Considering that nanny states like to treat adults like children, taking protect the children to it's logical conclusion doesn't seem all that far-fetched to such a state or it's proponents. Ultimately we have to rely on the judgement of parents and expect them to take responsibility for protecting their children from what they deem harmful and raising them to deal with what they may encounter. The existence of delinquent parents is also not a valid excuse for the state interfering with the freedom of adults or trying to micromanage the lives of other parents.

And saying you can get pornography easily elsewhere hurts the argument against allowing a subscription TV service to broadcast pornographic material. In fact that argument pretty much says we might as well have it on open channels because anyone can get it anytime anyway.
 

Lycanthrope

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My point is who gets to define what is pornographic or offensive ? Surely it is highly subjective issue?
Exactly.

Just because you happen not to be particularly fazed about this particular issue (neither am I, truth be told) it doesn't make the larger issue of government control and censorship any less worrying.
That's precisely why I'm fazed. Government determining what we may and may not watch or subscribe to? Not a country I'd like to live in, thanks.

Censorship of any sort can go hang.
 

Keeper

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That's precisely why I'm fazed. Government determining what we may and may not watch or subscribe to? Not a country I'd like to live in, thanks.
I agree, I also don't want to live in a country that uses trains.
these should not be seen and should be banned. they look terrible ffs.

They are:
-Old Technology
-Slow
-Ugly

Helicopters are the opposite - New, Fast and very Beautiful - Plus they can Fly!

I also prefer the sound of a "choppah" (what me and the mates call them after a few beers) over the dull sound of a locomotive.


Seriously, who can I call at ICASA to get these trains banned, it seems these guys know how to ban something and get the job done.
 

wily me

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Don't even recognise the flag, do ya?
Should I? Why. As I said I really do not care anyway, so do we need extra TV channels of porn? Just legalize porn, drugs, weed and public promiscuity already. See where that leads.
 

HapticSimian

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Should I? Why. As I said I really do not care anyway, so do we need extra TV channels of porn? Just legalize porn, drugs, weed and public promiscuity already. See where that leads.
That's the bit of my post you decide to respond to?

**** this... you're either trolling or being obtuse. I don't have the energy for either.
 

czc

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I agree, I also don't want to live in a country that uses trains.
these should not be seen and should be banned. they look terrible ffs.

They are:
-Old Technology
-Slow
-Ugly

Helicopters are the opposite - New, Fast and very Beautiful - Plus they can Fly!

I also prefer the sound of a "choppah" (what me and the mates call them after a few beers) over the dull sound of a locomotive.


Seriously, who can I call at ICASA to get these trains banned, it seems these guys know how to ban something and get the job done.
Government is supposed to cater to the masses. Trains are for the masses, helicopters for the elitist few. Go take your elitist tendencies elsewhere.
 

Keeper

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so do we need extra TV channels of porn?
I agree man, and we don't need trains either.

We don't care if other people make use of trains - we don't use them, and we don't like 'em. Ban trains!
 

wily me

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Government is supposed to cater to the masses. Trains are for the masses, helicopters for the elitist few. Go take your elitist tendencies elsewhere.
Whahahaha. Nicely said but then again will JuJu take the train or chopper? Then I agree fully with Keeper. I wish ICASA can make broadband decisions as fast as they take porn decisions.
 
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