Skilled people are leaving South Africa in droves – and government’s unemployment plans can’t stop it

NarrowBandFtw

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the more that leave the better for unemployment figures though

which is one of many problems with chasing such a metric in isolation

fix the damn economy by getting out of the way, employment will follow, just stop trying to "fix" it directly
 

Cius

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The people leaving are generally employment creators. Your middle class via their spending tend to support a great deal of other jobs, even if they don't have a business that directly employs people. Calculations have been done on how many jobs get lost every time an accountant or engineer leave.
 

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the more that leave the better for unemployment figures though

Not necessarily, if you cant find the skill locally you will look for it elsewhere and that job is probably lost for good to south africa making the statistics worse.
 

Jet-Fighter7700

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The people leaving are generally employment creators. Your middle class via their spending tend to support a great deal of other jobs, even if they don't have a business that directly employs people. Calculations have been done on how many jobs get lost every time an accountant or engineer leave.
Jobs fall from the Sky, as the ANC tends to believe,
they just need to hire 20 people for a position that requires 1.
 

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They know exactly what needs to be done to stop this. They can't. Let them suffer. People should lower expectations. This is Africa. This is a way of life. If you want to live here, simply adapt.
 

TelkomUseless

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They know exactly what needs to be done to stop this. They can't. Let them suffer. People should lower expectations. This is Africa. This is a way of life. If you want to live here, simply adapt.

But that would stop them from corruption, stealing , jobs for buddies etc. And why would they want to do that? Anc cadres and co score all the way... why would they stop?
 

Johnatan56

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the more that leave the better for unemployment figures though

which is one of many problems with chasing such a metric in isolation

fix the damn economy by getting out of the way, employment will follow, just stop trying to "fix" it directly
Again proving that you understand nothing.

The people that can leave are skilled workers, this is a good article on it: https://www.centreforcities.org/blo...ties-of-people-with-few-or-no-qualifications/
One of the criticisms that cities – especially successful cities – often receive is that they only work for high-skilled people. We have seen this happening recently in the US, where Amazon had to cancel plans to locate part of its headquarters in New York for fears it would only benefit high-skilled workers. Yet, what is often forgotten is that high-skilled jobs also create a lot of opportunities for people with few or no qualifications.


How? In economics, this process is called ‘the multiplier effect’. When new businesses that sell their goods and services to regional, national or international markets move to a local area, they bring money into the local economy. This creates demand for shops, restaurants and cafes and jobs in these local businesses. This is why, for example, Canary Wharf isn’t just full of bankers – it is populated by Pret and Starbucks outlets on the ground floors of its skyscrapers to meet the needs of the workers above them.


But how many new jobs in these local services are actually created? In our recent work, we found that in the period between 1998 and 2015, for every 10 new jobs created in businesses that trade outside the local area, 11 new jobs were created in local services businesses such as cafes and restaurants.


But we also found that it is high-skilled businesses that trade outside the local area, such as engineering and financial services firms, that have a much bigger multiplier effect. Indeed, over the same time period, the creation of 10 new jobs in these high-skilled businesses has led to the creation of 17 new jobs in local services. That’s because these firms bring even more money into the local economy.
And: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048733319301234
Skilled workers are a limited resource, South Africa is absolutely dominated by unskilled, that's one of the main reasons for unemployment, since you can't use most of those workers for anything.

If you have the unskilled workers leave, it's not a case of just leave the spot open, that skilled worker is required to have others be able to be skilled up, e.g. software you need a senior to manage juniors, they can't enter the work force as a dev if the senior with the required skills does not exist. Pick any skilled profession, it is the same.

And no, they can't fix the economy by just getting out the way, there are too many systemic issues that need to be sorted out like power generation (that requires government to handle grids, etc.), transit infrastructure, etc.
And you can't just stop all the social grants, that would make what happened with the KZN protests (and Gauteng) look tiny in comparison, so that has to keep going as well.

"Get out of the way" is more a case of stop legislating things that are hindering it, rather than completely removing itself.
But of course, in your NarrowMindFtw view of the world, all governments must be terrible, everything must be due to some 1%'er BS, etc.
 

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the more that leave the better for unemployment figures though

This has been the same long old story pushed by the left... well, they have the jobs now. Look at Eskom, SAA, Transnet, and all the likes. See how great it went down for them. This is precisely what the ANC and most business leaders today do not understand. Simply employing a person does not mean the company will do well. In fact, 99% of people in this country would not be suited to work at a Spar till, let alone putting them in bigger more important positions.
 

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Government doesn't care, like they didn't care about electricity or corruption, it's all about getting rid of troublemakers so they have more subservients that rely on patronage for everything that can be easily controlled to keep the gravy flowing.

There is no cure for this, it's a culture, almost a religion in the ANC, nothing is done on merit its always to please da boss for a few crumbs.
And that's why those that know, and can, are leaving.
 

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And no, they can't fix the economy by just getting out the way, there are too many systemic issues that need to be sorted out like power generation (that requires government to handle grids, etc.), transit infrastructure, etc.
Actually NBFTW is correct.

The labour laws in SA are one of the things that are causing unemployment. Things like the national minimum wage and union laws that extend bargaining agreements to non-parties make expensive and risky to employ unskilled people.

The next level up you have BEE and AA which get in the way of every competent person wanting to provide value to other people.

Next level up you have retarded government policy around energy generation, making it illegal for anyone who has electricity to sell it to the grid.
 

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OK, so I am skilled ne, I can leave SA if I want, but I choose to continue staying in slaapstad because the climate is OK, but more than that, its because I have elderly parents to take care of.

All my work is remote, I work for a company in Atlanta, GA.

I do have an exit strategy, which sees us moving to the Netherlands office which I will use as a last resort, when things get REALLY bad here. But for now, its OK, I am handsomely compensated for my skills and I enjoy working remotely. Only negative is the meetings happen in the late afternoon - early evenings during dinner time.

No sitting in kak traffic, no having to deal with South African pig-headed bosses, win-win for me. The Yanks are told to leave us alone and let us get on with what we do, because we (my team) are critical to the new products rolling out

People, especially skilled people, left SA since the 80s
In the 80s, especially '85 and '86 clever AF people weren't very enthused about having to go to the army, so they left SA. Many never returned, thanks to the internet I was able to eventually chat to them again. I was one of those who also wanted to sod off, I was planning to leave to go work in the UK to avoid the military, and then suddenly, poof, like that, the SADF never bothered me again.. went to college instead and did an apprenticeship.

In the late 1990s people left SA because they didn't like it when Mbeki took over. Those are the ones who told me to my face, if Mbeki comes to power, we're out, and it came to pass and off they went...

In 2006, people left because loadshedding and finding out how corrupt the government is....
In 2013 people left because of Zuma.

But yes, I don't care, except for my parents. My skills bring nothing to SA, everything is done for the US of A
 

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OK, so I am skilled ne, I can leave SA if I want, but I choose to continue staying in slaapstad because the climate is OK, but more than that, its because I have elderly parents to take care of.

All my work is remote, I work for a company in Atlanta, GA.

I do have an exit strategy, which sees us moving to the Netherlands office which I will use as a last resort, when things get REALLY bad here. But for now, its OK, I am handsomely compensated for my skills and I enjoy working remotely. Only negative is the meetings happen in the late afternoon - early evenings during dinner time.

No sitting in kak traffic, no having to deal with South African pig-headed bosses, win-win for me. The Yanks are told to leave us alone and let us get on with what we do, because we (my team) are critical to the new products rolling out

People, especially skilled people, left SA since the 80s
In the 80s, especially '85 and '86 clever AF people weren't very enthused about having to go to the army, so they left SA. Many never returned, thanks to the internet I was able to eventually chat to them again. I was one of those who also wanted to sod off, I was planning to leave to go work in the UK to avoid the military, and then suddenly, poof, like that, the SADF never bothered me again.. went to college instead and did an apprenticeship.

In the late 1990s people left SA because they didn't like it when Mbeki took over. Those are the ones who told me to my face, if Mbeki comes to power, we're out, and it came to pass and off they went...

In 2006, people left because loadshedding and finding out how corrupt the government is....
In 2013 people left because of Zuma.

But yes, I don't care, except for my parents. My skills bring nothing to SA, everything is done for the US of A
You still spend them dollars here. Thank you for your service. :ROFL:
 
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