Skilled people are leaving South Africa in droves – and government’s unemployment plans can’t stop it

[noxibox]

It isn’t true that governments simply get out of the way and quality employment just happens. Typically in successful countries the government was heavily involved in pouring money into the economy. South Africa’s problems are more complicated and won’t be solved by utopian libertarian nonsense.

Proving Verwoerd right all the time

If he knew that doing the same stupid thing over and over for decades was a bad idea then why did he and his fellow idiots do it?

 

[supersunbird]

If he knew that doing the same stupid thing over and over for decades was a bad idea then why did he and his fellow idiots do it?

There is some quote attributed to Verwoerd, which boils down to "blacks can't run a country as has been seen", so are you saying that Verwoerd gave the country for blacks to run over and over? Doubt.

 

[Sinbad]

Strange though coz those that I know of that have left we’re never at the upper echelon of their respective field...

Says more about the company you keep than anything else

 

[Messugga]

Says more about the company you keep then anything else

Yep, interesting thing to sort of brag about.

 

[rvZA]

Why would you even waste your time doing that? It's the skilled people you need to reason with, explain to them why leaving is bad for our country.

The average skilled person is much like an..... Investor. The skills he obtained throughout the years can be seen as the stocks he invested his money in. His skills obtained will eventually secure his future and will allow him to obtain a job, grow in the job, start a business and perform his duties in the correct manner.

That being said, this average skilled person, or for that matter 'investor', simply will not listen to a failing government. If he is restricted by BEE, crazy labour laws, crazy courts, a corrupt government, crazy threats by a corrupt government, he will simply take himself and his skills, disinvest in South Africa, and move to another country where he is not faced with these challenges and have opportunities.

So, forget about speaking to a skilled person. They will not listen. They owe the government nothing. They owe the 60m+ poor people of this country nothing. This is the truth of the matter and also why so many skilled people are leaving.

 

[rvZA]

There is plenty he can try to do but won't. He could start with the scrapping of mining charters and BEE.

I'm too old to move but for those that are staying you better batten down all hatches. I don't want to be negative but once the government can no longer afford to pay for SASSA grants we're going to end up with 20+ million people on death's door all fighting for whatever scraps they can get their hands on. The KZN riots will look like a walk in the park. First it will be businesses that are targetted and once there is nothing left the suburbs will be next.

I really hope it does not come to that but the money is running out so it's almost inevitable.

Technically, there is plenty they can do. Realisticly, if they do anything, they will lose power and will be out. This is not an option for the ANC. They would much rather see the decline of the country than losing power.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Based on?
The IT sector for example is being filled by cheap Indian labor work force. One can argue the quality of work but the work is getting done.

Dischem is killing the pharmacists, I’ve noticed there’s 2 pharmacist per store, the rest are normal workers dispensing medication under supervision of one pharmacist.

It will level out at some point. I’m sure there’s 1000s coming out of uni that will quickly fill those roles.

So all the people leaving , who is going to buy from dischem ? Outsourcing the work to india, do they spend their salaries in SA ? (nope). Do they pay taxes in SA? Nope... they sit in India. They don't buy their meds from Dischem, they don't buy cars here etc.. see the problem?

And then goverment raises taxes / increase BEE/AA to "fix" the money problem.. hence down the tubes, increase unemployment.

You got a very short sight of thinking "let them leave, who cares".

edit: And even the indians working here , send all their money back to India. I have worked with them... they live 4-5 people in small house.. and all they do is send all their money to India. So much for spending their salaries (and supporting) local economy.

 

[Supervan II]

Well, if the country doesn't want them leaving is what they have to do... If the country doesn't want to listen to ways to make itself a nicer place to live, as it's been told for 27 years ("crime is so bad" aka address crime, "schooling is so poor" aka fix schooling so that most kids get a quality education) then why should people care about the country?

WRT to the voters:

The ANC is akin to a mushroom farmer: Keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit!

 

[TelkomUseless]

WRT to the voters:

The ANC is akin to a mushroom farmer: Keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit!

That is how they keep themselves in power.... keep the voters stupid so they don't know better.

 

[rvZA]

That is how they keep themselves in power.... keep the voters stupid so they don't know better.

This is how any socialist government keeps itself in power. We have seen it playing out here in SA. It is currently happening in the United States too. Socialism is killing the world. A very dark period is waiting for the people of this world.

 

[Supervan II]

Based on?

Dischem is killing the pharmacists, I’ve noticed there’s 2 pharmacist per store, the rest are normal workers dispensing medication under supervision of one pharmacist.

It will level out at some point. I’m sure there’s 1000s coming out of uni that will quickly fill those roles.

I strongly suggest you do some research before spouting this type of BS.

1. There is already a dire shortage of pharmacists in this country, for which the demand is split between Manufacturing and Retail ;
2. Dischem is not killing the pharmacists, not by a long shot - every single Dischem (and every other pharmacy) must have at least one Responsible Pharmacist on site;
3. The other pharmacy staff are Pharmacist Assistants, which don't just come a dime a dozen off the street - it requires a qualification and registration at the Pharmacy Council.
4. Yes, there are literally thousands of doctors and pharmacists getting their degrees every single day, see Point 1.

 

[TelkomUseless]

I strongly suggest you do some research before spouting this type of BS.

1. There is already a dire shortage of pharmacists in this country, for which the demand is split between Manufacturing and Retail ;
2. Dischem is not killing the pharmacists, not by a long shot - every single Dischem (and every other pharmacy) must have at least one Responsible Pharmacist on site;
3. The other pharmacy staff are Pharmacist Assistants, which don't just come a dime a dozen off the street - it requires a qualification and registration at the Pharmacy Council.
4. Yes, there are literally thousands of doctors and pharmacists getting their degrees every single day, see Point 1.

Let them go.. the Cubans will replace all the people leaving. Our government loves Cubans, even more than their own voters.

 

[mojoman]

Let them go.. the Cubans will replace all the people leaving. Our government loves Cubans, even more than their own voters.

Apartheid era debts need to be repaid...

 

[Ghost64]

I strongly suggest you do some research before spouting this type of BS.

1. There is already a dire shortage of pharmacists in this country, for which the demand is split between Manufacturing and Retail ;
2. Dischem is not killing the pharmacists, not by a long shot - every single Dischem (and every other pharmacy) must have at least one Responsible Pharmacist on site;
3. The other pharmacy staff are Pharmacist Assistants, which don't just come a dime a dozen off the street - it requires a qualification and registration at the Pharmacy Council.
4. Yes, there are literally thousands of doctors and pharmacists getting their degrees every single day, see Point 1.

Doctor internships were full this year. About 250 are only just getting spots, mostly coz they self entitled fools that don’t want to serve at a clinic in bushbuckridge.
Possibly due to the pandemic, but the numbers are there.

What qualifications do a pharmacy assistant need? Coz I’m 100% sure the ones at Dischem don’t have any.

 

[Ghost64]

Yep, interesting thing to sort of brag about.

Did it sound braggy to you? Why?
Lolzzz

 

[azbob]

What qualifications do a pharmacy assistant need? Coz I’m 100% sure the ones at Dischem don’t have any.

How’re you so sure? Most of the time they’re still students/interns.

Pharmacist'S Assistant Training | Pharmacy | Life Healthcare

The SAPC’s vision for 2030 includes 24,000 pharmacists and 22,000 pharmacy support personnel being registered and serving the health needs of South Africans.

www.lifehealthcare.co.za

 

[Ghost64]

Says more about the company you keep than anything else

You can know people and not keep company with them.
I mean I don’t know Oscar in engineering, all I know is he’s quiet, shy, has bad hygiene and low self esteem. He’s now in Belgium btw.
I really hope he finds his calling.

 

[Ghost64]

How’re you so sure? Most of the time they’re still students/interns.

Pharmacist'S Assistant Training | Pharmacy | Life Healthcare

The SAPC’s vision for 2030 includes 24,000 pharmacists and 22,000 pharmacy support personnel being registered and serving the health needs of South Africans.

www.lifehealthcare.co.za

So they just need to be registered?

 

[Supervan II]

Doctor internships were full this year. About 250 are only just getting spots, mostly coz they self entitled fools that don’t want to serve at a clinic in bushbuckridge.
Possibly due to the pandemic, but the numbers are there.

How many actually qualify after 7 years? Very, very few. They usually start dropping out within the first year.

What qualifications do a pharmacy assistant need? Coz I’m 100% sure the ones at Dischem don’t have any.

Pharmacist Assistant (Retail) - if Dischem employs anyone else to assist the pharmacist it is illegal, which is highly unlikely.

 

[Supervan II]

So they just need to be registered?

Sure