So much for America's Religious Right

[kilo39]

So if I was to ask Bhudda if he was a Bhuddist, then by your reasoning he would say that he isn't.

Which begs the question: What would he say?

Well of course Buddha would say nothing. It is not for him to 'say something,' he simply shows the way; it's everybody else that does the chattering.

 

[IamCanadian]

hypocrite:
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Somehow you seem to be papering over the cracks: you say he lied, cheated, and deceived but do not acknowledge his homosexuality (while heterosexually married, and gays are sinners,) and "lies, cheats, and deceived" does not cover his drug habit.

I am not incapable but am a subscriber to Taoism: The Way of Truth.

The pastor in question IS a hypocrite. He IS a liar. He IS a deceiver. What more do you want. Blood from a stone?

Is my typing not coming out on your side correctly? Are you reading the opposite of what I am typing?

 

[IamCanadian]

"Well of course Buddha would say nothing."

So you speak for Bhudda. That's rich!

 

[kilo39]

The pastor in question IS a hypocrite. He IS a liar. He IS a deceiver. What more do you want. Blood from a stone?

Is my typing not coming out on your side correctly? Are you reading the opposite of what I am typing?

How about crack addict and rent boy (oh ya, he wasn't a rent boy, just abusing them)

"Well of course Buddha would say nothing."

So you speak for Bhudda. That's rich!

Typical. You ask a question then when I >suggest< an answer it is met with ridicule. Suck it up dude, why are you posting?

 

[Nick333]

Nick,

Mythical? Josephus refers to Christ in his secular historical book about the Jews of that era.

Mythical figure then.

 

[IamCanadian]

How about crack addict and rent boy (oh ya, he wasn't a rent boy, just abusing them)

Typical. You ask a question then when I >suggest< an answer it is met with ridicule. Suck it up dude, why are you posting?

You should join the ANC. You are good at deflection.

I will answer it for you.

The first buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, would call himself a Buddhist

There are 28 buddhas and every one of them would also call themselves Buddhist starting with Gautama.

Let me restate the obvious:

1) Christ is a Christian.

2) Buddha is a Buddhist.

3) Mohammed is a Muslim.

If you don't like it. Tough!

 

[IamCanadian]

Mythical figure then.

Nick,

I have some really nice swampland to sell you.

 

[icyrus]

You should join the ANC. You are good at deflection.

I will answer it for you.

The first buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, would call himself a Buddhist

There are 28 buddhas and every one of them would also call themselves Buddhist starting with Gautama.

Let me restate the obvious:

1) Christ is a Christian.

2) Buddha is a Buddhist.

3) Mohammed is a Muslim.

If you don't like it. Tough!

I may have it wrong but as far as I am concerned, being Christian means being a follower of Christ and his teachings. As such Christ can't be Christian. Etc...

 

[kilo39]

You should join the ANC. You are good at deflection.

I will answer it for you.

The first buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, would call himself a Buddhist

There are 28 buddhas and every one of them would also call themselves Buddhist starting with Gautama.

Let me restate the obvious:

1) Christ is a Christian.

2) Buddha is a Buddhist.

3) Mohammed is a Muslim.

If you don't like it. Tough!

Now where did I hear that before? Oooh ya, basic tenet of the religious right: if you don't like it, eat my bullet. Laugh. Doesn't get any better.

How to rule the world in 1 easy lesson.

 

[IamCanadian]

Now where did I hear that before? Oooh ya, basic tenet of the religious right: if you don't like it, eat my bullet. Laugh. Doesn't get any better.

How to rule the world in 1 easy lesson.

Seems to me that the non-religious left is much more likely to be firing the bullets.

 

[icyrus]

Seems to me that the non-religious left is much more likely to be firing the bullets.

Based on what exactly? Care to point to a current conflict not involving religious extremists?

 

[IamCanadian]

Based on what exactly? Care to point to a current conflict not involving religious extremists?

CURRENT CONFLICTS

Cambodia govt. vs. Khmer Rouge and Royalists.
Indonesia govt. vs. Revolutionary Front for East Timor.
Burundi: Tutsi vs. Hutu
Democratic Republic of Congo govt. vs. Rwanda, Uganda and indigenous rebels
Rwanda govt. ( Tutsi) vs. Hutu
Sierra Leone govt. vs. Revolutionary United Front,
Yugoslavia govt. vs. Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)
Colombia govt. vs. National Liberation Army (ELN) and Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC)
Peru govt. vs. Sendero Luminoso

IN HISTORY:

1337-1453—HUNDRED YEARS’ WAR. A bloody struggle between France and England which ended with the expulsion of the English from France.

1455-1485—WARS OF THE ROSES. A series of civil wars fought between the Houses of Lancaster and York for the English throne.

1642-1651—ENGLISH CIVIL WAR. Resulted in the execution of King Charles I and produced Britain’s first and only experiment with republicanism, under the Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell.

1775-1783—AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE. War from which Great Britain’s American colonies emerged as the United States of America.

1792-1815—FRENCH REVOLUTIONARY AND NAPOLEONIC WARS. A series of wars fought between France under Napoleon I and alliances of the other major European powers, principally Britain, Prussia, Russia and Austria.

1853-1856—CRIMEAN WAR. The war pitted Britain and France in defence of Ottoman Turkey against tsarist Russia. Included the Battle of Balaclava, scene of the charge of the Light Brigade.

1861-1865—AMERICAN CIVIL WAR. Fought between the Federal government of the United States and the eleven confederate states of the South. The war divided the North and the secessionist South over slavery and states’ rights. It was finally won by the North.

1880-81 and 1899-1902—BOER WARS. Two wars fought by British forces in South Africa, the first against the Transvaal, the second against the Transvaal and the Orange Free State. One of Africa’s first anti-colonial wars against the British.

1914-18—WORLD WAR ONE. Fought between the Allies (principally Britain, France, Russia and, from 1917, the United States) and the Central Powers (principally Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey). After Kaiser Wilhelm II finally abdicated, Germany signed an armistice and the western front fell silent on November 11, 1918.

1936-39—SPANISH CIVIL WAR. Military revolt supported by Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany against the republican government. Nationalist rebels under General Francisco Franco eventually won control of the country.

1939-45—WORLD WAR TWO. Originated in Adolf Hitler’s hostility to frontiers imposed after World War One. Germany invaded Poland on September 1,

1950-53—KOREAN WAR. Communist North Korea invaded the South. A 16-nation U.S.-led United Nations Command repelled the invasion. An armistice ended the conflict but Korea remained divided by a four-km (2.5-mile) wide demilitarized zone.

1959-75—VIETNAM WAR. U.S. began bombing North Vietnam in 1964 and sent combat troops to South Vietnam the following year. In January 1973 a ceasefire agreement was signed in Paris, ending U.S. combat role. In April
1975 North Vietnamese forces took over Saigon, ending the war and reunifying the country.

1973—YOM KIPPUR WAR. On October 6, as Israel marked the Yom Kippur Jewish holiday, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack. Egyptian troops crossed into Sinai. A ceasefire between Israel and Egypt was signed on November 11.

1982—FALKLANDS WAR. Argentina invaded the Falklands to enforce its claim of sovereignty but its troops surrendered to Britain after 10 weeks of fighting.

1979-89—AFGHAN CIVIL WAR. In December 1979, Soviet troops landed in Kabul. A guerrilla war pitting Soviet and Afghan government troops against Western-backed rebel forces began.

1991—GULF WAR. A 28-nation military alliance led by the United States and based in Saudi Arabia ended a seven-month Iraqi occupation of Kuwait in a six-week campaign in January and February called Operation Desert Storm.

1992-95—BOSNIAN WAR. Bosnia, a dangerous ethnic mix of Serbs, Croats and Moslems, erupted into war in April 1992. It was 3-1/2 years before the United States managed to impose a settlement there.

1998-99—KOSOVO CONFLICT. Simmering for years, in March 1998 the Kosovo conflict escalated dramatically with fighting in the village of Prekaz. A year later NATO launched its campaign of air strikes. The campaign lasted 11 weeks before Yugoslavia accepted a peace plan requiring withdrawal of all forces from Kosovo.

 

[icyrus]

You're right, those are the real epitome of liberals...

 

[IamCanadian]

You're right, those are the real epitome of liberals...

A liberal will just as easily go to war if the right conditions arise.

 

[HosstheBoss]

Man, IamCanadian just seems to love getting up everyones skirts

 

[cisco_trouble]

Most of the U.S leaders are dropping like flies. That senator that sent explicit emails to young boys, jimmy swaggart...the priest who was addicted to prostitutes, and now this guy...its difficult to pretend.

 

[Nick333]

CURRENT CONFLICTS

Cambodia govt. vs. Khmer Rouge and Royalists.
Indonesia govt. vs. Revolutionary Front for East Timor.
Burundi: Tutsi vs. Hutu
Democratic Republic of Congo govt. vs. Rwanda, Uganda and indigenous rebels
Rwanda govt. ( Tutsi) vs. Hutu
Sierra Leone govt. vs. Revolutionary United Front,
Yugoslavia govt. vs. Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA)
Colombia govt. vs. National Liberation Army (ELN) and Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC)
Peru govt. vs. Sendero Luminoso

IN HISTORY:

1337-1453—HUNDRED YEARS’ WAR. A bloody struggle between France and England which ended with the expulsion of the English from France.

1455-1485—WARS OF THE ROSES. A series of civil wars fought between the Houses of Lancaster and York for the English throne.

1642-1651—ENGLISH CIVIL WAR. Resulted in the execution of King Charles I and produced Britain’s first and only experiment with republicanism, under the Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell.

1775-1783—AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE. War from which Great Britain’s American colonies emerged as the United States of America.

1792-1815—FRENCH REVOLUTIONARY AND NAPOLEONIC WARS. A series of wars fought between France under Napoleon I and alliances of the other major European powers, principally Britain, Prussia, Russia and Austria.

1853-1856—CRIMEAN WAR. The war pitted Britain and France in defence of Ottoman Turkey against tsarist Russia. Included the Battle of Balaclava, scene of the charge of the Light Brigade.

1861-1865—AMERICAN CIVIL WAR. Fought between the Federal government of the United States and the eleven confederate states of the South. The war divided the North and the secessionist South over slavery and states’ rights. It was finally won by the North.

1880-81 and 1899-1902—BOER WARS. Two wars fought by British forces in South Africa, the first against the Transvaal, the second against the Transvaal and the Orange Free State. One of Africa’s first anti-colonial wars against the British.

1914-18—WORLD WAR ONE. Fought between the Allies (principally Britain, France, Russia and, from 1917, the United States) and the Central Powers (principally Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey). After Kaiser Wilhelm II finally abdicated, Germany signed an armistice and the western front fell silent on November 11, 1918.

1936-39—SPANISH CIVIL WAR. Military revolt supported by Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany against the republican government. Nationalist rebels under General Francisco Franco eventually won control of the country.

1939-45—WORLD WAR TWO. Originated in Adolf Hitler’s hostility to frontiers imposed after World War One. Germany invaded Poland on September 1,

1950-53—KOREAN WAR. Communist North Korea invaded the South. A 16-nation U.S.-led United Nations Command repelled the invasion. An armistice ended the conflict but Korea remained divided by a four-km (2.5-mile) wide demilitarized zone.

1959-75—VIETNAM WAR. U.S. began bombing North Vietnam in 1964 and sent combat troops to South Vietnam the following year. In January 1973 a ceasefire agreement was signed in Paris, ending U.S. combat role. In April
1975 North Vietnamese forces took over Saigon, ending the war and reunifying the country.

1973—YOM KIPPUR WAR. On October 6, as Israel marked the Yom Kippur Jewish holiday, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack. Egyptian troops crossed into Sinai. A ceasefire between Israel and Egypt was signed on November 11.

1982—FALKLANDS WAR. Argentina invaded the Falklands to enforce its claim of sovereignty but its troops surrendered to Britain after 10 weeks of fighting.

1979-89—AFGHAN CIVIL WAR. In December 1979, Soviet troops landed in Kabul. A guerrilla war pitting Soviet and Afghan government troops against Western-backed rebel forces began.

1991—GULF WAR. A 28-nation military alliance led by the United States and based in Saudi Arabia ended a seven-month Iraqi occupation of Kuwait in a six-week campaign in January and February called Operation Desert Storm.

1992-95—BOSNIAN WAR. Bosnia, a dangerous ethnic mix of Serbs, Croats and Moslems, erupted into war in April 1992. It was 3-1/2 years before the United States managed to impose a settlement there.

1998-99—KOSOVO CONFLICT. Simmering for years, in March 1998 the Kosovo conflict escalated dramatically with fighting in the village of Prekaz. A year later NATO launched its campaign of air strikes. The campaign lasted 11 weeks before Yugoslavia accepted a peace plan requiring withdrawal of all forces from Kosovo.

Almost all the historical wars you quoted were fought by religious people of some persuasion. Bosnia is a prime example of your ignorance. In that conflict Catholics and orthodox christians slaughtered muslims and vice versa.
Very few of combatants in any of those wars could be said to be non-religious.

 

[Nick333]

Anyway citing non-religious wars and saying wars are more often fought for non-religious reasons (not really what you said) doesn't absolve religion from all the bloody conflict its caused and perpetuated.

Noone can seriously suggest that we would not have wars in a world without religion, but at least we would not massacre each other because our collective, great, big, imaginary friend told us it was our duty.

 

[Claymore]

Mythical? Josephus refers to Christ in his secular historical book about the Jews of that era. One of many evidences outside of the "four books" that prove that Christ is not myth.

Actually, Josephus wrote "Antiquities of the Jews" in 93AD, a good 60 years after the purported events. Apart from that, it's thought that that particular passage was interpolated by later church leaders, and was not actually original (for example, writers in the 3rd century who used Josephus's writings extensively make no mention of the passage in question).

There are no contemporary accounts of Christ, and no secular accounts until (at the very earliest) 60 years later, making them completely useless as historical fact.

 

[IamCanadian]

Anyway citing non-religious wars and saying wars are more often fought for non-religious reasons (not really what you said) doesn't absolve religion from all the bloody conflict its caused and perpetuated..

Religions are responsible for conflict. I just maintain that non-religious conflicts have been responsible for more death than religious conflicts.

Noone can seriously suggest that we would not have wars in a world without religion, but at least we would not massacre each other because our collective, great, big, imaginary friend told us it was our duty.

I am not saying we would not have conflict without religion.