Solidarity promises legal action against Eskom's R938 fee for 0kWh users

[RaptorSA]

What is the "Effective rate" per kWh (once network, service, DSM, kWh) are all added?

Eskom needs to radically reduce the R/kWh with this proposal.

These proposals need to be as follows:
1) R928 network fee
2) TOU kWh rate
3) Fair rate for kWh fed to grid (eg 80% of what they charge me )
4) Unlimited grid feed in

This would incentivise PV users to grid feed and have a battery to offset the R928 fee.
You could even make a profit.

I waste about 5kWh per day with my PV system as battery is full and I don't grid feed.
I would add 8 more 400W panels.
This would generate ~16 + 5 = 23kWh per day * 30 days per month => 690kWh/mont0h * R2.00 per kWh => R1380/pm

R2.00 per kWh is much less than the effective rate that Eskom charges us.

Good luck with that idea. Or any idea for that matter.
There's almost f*kol left to feed into.
Our power's been off since 6PM yesterday and if we're lucky we'll be at 25 hours to fix this little d00s.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

Is this the same solidarity that offered to help eskom in that other thread?

Consider this as tough love ........

Of course, the help they there offered is to help "black industrialists' to quote Mr. Phala Phala, while this action will help anyone who is a 0 kWh user.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Is this the same solidarity that offered to help eskom in that other thread?

Yes it is.

And your point is....?

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

In addition it seems Eskom wants to become the enemy of the poor and the middleclass too.

Rest assured that indigents, the poor, and thieves will not have to pay this fee. Only non-indigent houses will pay it, aka middle class.

 

[Forum Reader]

What is the "Effective rate" per kWh (once network, service, DSM, kWh) are all added?

Eskom needs to radically reduce the R/kWh with this proposal.

These proposals need to be as follows:
1) R928 network fee
2) TOU kWh rate
3) Fair rate for kWh fed to grid (eg 80% of what they charge me )
4) Unlimited grid feed in

This would incentivise PV users to grid feed and have a battery to offset the R928 fee.
You could even make a profit.

I waste about 5kWh per day with my PV system as battery is full and I don't grid feed.
I would add 8 more 400W panels.
This would generate ~16 + 5 = 23kWh per day * 30 days per month => 690kWh/mont0h * R2.00 per kWh => R1380/pm

R2.00 per kWh is much less than the effective rate that Eskom charges us.

Only problem here is both you and Eskom can't make a profit and Eskom's expenses aren't going away. Someone has to pay the other and also pay Eskom's expenses, unless the non-solar users pay the bills for everything.

 

[konfab]

What is the "Effective rate" per kWh (once network, service, DSM, kWh) are all added?

Eskom needs to radically reduce the R/kWh with this proposal.

These proposals need to be as follows:
1) R928 network fee
2) TOU kWh rate
3) Fair rate for kWh fed to grid (eg 80% of what they charge me )
4) Unlimited grid feed in

This would incentivise PV users to grid feed and have a battery to offset the R928 fee.
You could even make a profit.

I waste about 5kWh per day with my PV system as battery is full and I don't grid feed.
I would add 8 more 400W panels.
This would generate ~16 + 5 = 23kWh per day * 30 days per month => 690kWh/mont0h * R2.00 per kWh => R1380/pm

R2.00 per kWh is much less than the effective rate that Eskom charges us.

Find someone with a crypo rig and rent out the capacity on your solar system.

 

[superskully]

So let’s say as a solar user, I need to pay this. Then what I will do, and everyone in the same boat, will use more power like luxury items such as heating or cooling so that I get the benefit of the amount. This means that all solar users will add more pressure to the grid, hence more load shedding for everyone.
So this dumb idea has other consequences in addition to what has been said already.

 

[superskully]

What is the "Effective rate" per kWh (once network, service, DSM, kWh) are all added?

Eskom needs to radically reduce the R/kWh with this proposal.

These proposals need to be as follows:
1) R928 network fee
2) TOU kWh rate
3) Fair rate for kWh fed to grid (eg 80% of what they charge me )
4) Unlimited grid feed in

This would incentivise PV users to grid feed and have a battery to offset the R928 fee.
You could even make a profit.

I waste about 5kWh per day with my PV system as battery is full and I don't grid feed.
I would add 8 more 400W panels.
This would generate ~16 + 5 = 23kWh per day * 30 days per month => 690kWh/mont0h * R2.00 per kWh => R1380/pm

R2.00 per kWh is much less than the effective rate that Eskom charges us.

They don’t think logically

 

[SubtleBeast]

Someone has to pay for the grid. Who knows what the cost of that is though...

The only way to get around this is to build a house in the middle of nowhere, where there is no Eskom grid and fully rely on solar.

One would think we already pay for the grid. This is factored into the price of electricity and has worked for decades. Suddenly we as users and taxpayers are expected to foot the R400bn bill that the corruptors and the bad actors and enablers of "State Capture" left us with.

 

[HBee]

This is just Eskom fearmongering to stem or dent the tide of solar panel installations. They will never legally succeed with this plan.

 

[KleinBoontjie]

They're already getting away with over charging us for very K@K service delivery. Every year the premium on K@K service goes up.

 

[Forum Reader]

One would think we already pay for the grid. This is factored into the price of electricity and has worked for decades. Suddenly we as users and taxpayers are expected to foot the R400bn bill that the corruptors and the bad actors and enablers of "State Capture" left us with.

Was referring to the people who are going full solar but still have the grid as backup.

 

[SubtleBeast]

Was referring to the people who are going full solar but still have the grid as backup.

What might work is a requirement for those to purchase at least, say, R200 worth of electricity per month, but also allow grid feed-in at a much lower rate. Think something like this would be more acceptable.

 

[sdrawk]

They're already getting away with over charging us for very K@K service delivery. Every year the premium on K@K service goes up.

The higher the billing rate, the more they loadshed.
We are paying so much more and getting so much less in return.
This fee would pretty much turn the entire population against Eskom. We would be angry. Some would be violent.
This is not a good path to stable electricity supply.

 

[Paul_S]

I would support legal action to fight this madness

I would gladly pay R932/month in legal fees to keep this nonsense at bay.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

What might work is a requirement for those to purchase at least, say, R200 worth of electricity per month, but also allow grid feed-in at a much lower rate. Think something like this would be more acceptable.

Still not worth it because they will only credit you up to R200 of feed in, any more is mahala for them. And you must still pay for the bidirectional meter. F that...

 

[sdrawk]

This is just Eskom fearmongering to stem or dent the tide of solar panel installations. They will never legally succeed with this plan.

It will just make their normal bill-payers angry (and poorer).

 

[SubtleBeast]

Still not worth it because they will only credit you up to R200 of feed in, any more is mahala for them. And you must still pay for the bidirectional meter. F that...

Sure. This was just a spur of the moment suggestion from a (hugely) unqualified mind. I would bet though that some would find this way more acceptable than ESKOM's proposal.

 

[Alkern]

Death spiral. We know generation is down, and consumption is up. Since 94 we have millions of new users on the grid, but I hesitate to guess how many are actually paying. The ones that can pay are over it, and are going solar.

THE WITNESS: Disconnected Mpophomeni residents stage protests over electricity meter audits

Early on Tuesday morning, protesters burned tires on the R617 in KwaZulu-Natal but some of the taxis and cars were initially allowed to pass through.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

So who must/is going to pay, if no one has the grit to say no to the thieves? The worst part is that if there wasn't so much theft in the government the people on the lower end of the financial spectrum would most likely all have electricity as a basic service by now.

Eskom has to run profitably, but how do you do that when your "clients", "workers", and influencers are thieves?

As a country we can't let Eskom fall either as it would doom us all. The solution? Cut off all illegal users: Imagine the consequences. You think the riots in KZN were bad?

Round and round we go.

 

[neoprema]

So let’s say as a solar user, I need to pay this. Then what I will do, and everyone in the same boat, will use more power like luxury items such as heating or cooling so that I get the benefit of the amount. This means that all solar users will add more pressure to the grid, hence more load shedding for everyone.
So this dumb idea has other consequences in addition to what has been said already.

You’re missing the point. There is no logic, no thought given and definitely no intelligence. It’s based solely on the usual “how can we make money now today so we can steal it regardless of tomorrow.”