South Africa faces a vaccine problem ahead of a possible fourth Covid-19 wave

[porchrat]

It was on one of the CDC's posters still or was it the WHO

They're obviously catering to the lowest common denominator. Using absolute terms so that those of us that don't care to read the research err on the side of caution (which we should be doing anyway).

Vaccination slows spread significantly as far as I've read.

 

[zoozi]

Since vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus how will it stop a fourth wave?

Waves don't gridlock the medical system with hospitalizations/deaths when vaccinated.

 

[porchrat]

Them %'s keep dropping...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450148580065374209

yea that 33% is the Moderna figure for transmission as far as I'm aware. It's something like 34% or something.

Percentages change as more data comes in darling. This is nothing new. The vaccines also weren't designed to prevent transmission. It's just a happy incidental affect of reducing infection severity.

I've not seen any research yet indicating that it doesn't impact spread. Yet I continuously see people repeating that statement.

 

[LCBXX]

yea that 33% is the Moderna figure for transmission as far as I'm aware. It's something like 34% or something.

Percentages change as more data comes in darling. This is nothing new. The vaccines also weren't designed to prevent transmission. It's just a happy incidental affect of reducing infection severity.

I've not seen any research yet indicating that it doesn't impact spread. Yet I continuously see people repeating that statement.

It would've greatly helped the narrative if they didn't call it a "vaccine" from the onset. I understand why they did, given how easily governments and societies fell for the "climate change" narrative that came before.

 

[neoprema]

Yep time to make vaccines mandatory peoples. You can go back to choosing once we're over a global disaster.

 

[neoprema]

yea that 33% is the Moderna figure for transmission as far as I'm aware. It's something like 34% or something.

Percentages change as more data comes in darling. This is nothing new. The vaccines also weren't designed to prevent transmission. It's just a happy incidental affect of reducing infection severity.

I've not seen any research yet indicating that it doesn't impact spread. Yet I continuously see people repeating that statement.

It was a problem because initial indicators showed it squashing Beta like a bug. It was just unfortunate that the narrative was then played on too much instead of the actual vaccine effect which is like you say, to reduce infection severity and death. Maybe media were at fault here too?

It also then unfortunately gave the tinfoil brigade ammunition to claim the vaccines are not needed since you could still be infected. Unfortunately those people have tunnel-vision so could not expand their understanding to include the fact that even though you can still be infected the vaccine does help, and will help, and will save you - it just can't promise never to get you infected. Once the pseudo-science is combined with tradition, hocus pocus, belief in aliens and other nonsense you have a very difficult hill to climb to convince people otherwise.

 

[neoprema]

Since vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus how will it stop a fourth wave?

It will only stop it once the wave is calculated solely on deaths and in-hospital admissions.

The fact that Bob has a sneeze and tested positive should now be left in 2020. Its irrelevant (and more so the more people get vaccinated)

 

[porchrat]

It would've greatly helped the narrative if they didn't call it a "vaccine" from the onset. I understand why they did, given how easily governments and societies fell for the "climate change" narrative that came before.

It stimulates immunological memory in order to facilitate better immune response to the actual pathogen. that's pretty much the definition of a vaccine. What else would you have them call it?... a racoon?

 

[porchrat]

It was a problem because initial indicators showed it squashing Beta like a bug. It was just unfortunate that the narrative was then played on too much instead of the actual vaccine effect which is like you say, to reduce infection severity and death. Maybe media were at fault here too?

It also then unfortunately gave the tinfoil brigade ammunition to claim the vaccines are not needed since you could still be infected. Unfortunately those people have tunnel-vision so could not expand their understanding to include the fact that even though you can still be infected the vaccine does help, and will help, and will save you - it just can't promise never to get you infected. Once the pseudo-science is combined with tradition, hocus pocus, belief in aliens and other nonsense you have a very difficult hill to climb to convince people otherwise.

I'm not aware of any vaccine that actually prevents infection. I'm not sure that's even possible. The point of a vaccine is to make your body better at fighting it off when you get infected. Some do it so well you don't even know you were infected... but you were.

Maybe that point hasn't been adequately conveyed to the public I don't know. It's not something I needed to be told by the WHO so it's not something I personally have concentrated on.

 

[Geoff.D]

Since vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus how will it stop a fourth wave?

A good question. Maybe the experts will be able to tell us.

 

[Geoff.D]

Why do people keep saying this? Everything I've read so far says it reduces transmission significantly. Something in the region of 50-60% for the Pfizer vaccine, lower for others (I think Moderna was something like 30-40% reduction).

It is perfectly logical. Less severe symptoms, shorter time carrying the infection... obviously we're going to be less likely to infect other people under those conditions.

You should add "all things being equal". But all things are not equal. Lots of things have changed, changing the dynamics and the interactions between all sorts of parameters.

This is a game of new experiences for every wave so far.

 

[Geoff.D]

I'm not aware of any vaccine that actually prevents infection

There is one group of vaccines that do prevent infection - the nasal and upper respiratory tract vaccines - because they lead to the direct neutralisation of invading bugs and produce a direct Iga response.

 

[rietrot]

If you got your vaccine you are safe and you are not going to die.
Trust the science and please leave us anti vaxxers alone. We are happy with our waves of natural immunity.

 

[Geoff.D]

yea that 33% is the Moderna figure for transmission as far as I'm aware. It's something like 34% or something.

Percentages change as more data comes in darling. This is nothing new. The vaccines also weren't designed to prevent transmission. It's just a happy incidental affect of reducing infection severity.

I've not seen any research yet indicating that it doesn't impact spread. Yet I continuously see people repeating that statement.

But this is exactly what everyone was told, by ALL the experts, even those here in SA.

The mantra was the vaccines prevent infection - and then it started changing. So without accessing this Twitter stuff, I already agree with the sentiments ---- the entire system lied through their teeth to all of us over and over again.

 

[rietrot]

No more government interventions is needed.

 

[krycor]

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I actually think we’d see change of people were forced to vote and wasted votes counted as a something bad. Not sure how tho..

Problem though is it won’t be the change people want haha. It’s kinda the one thing Aussies got right.. force people to vote or pay a fine.

 

[rietrot]

But this is exactly what everyone was told, by ALL the experts, even those here in SA.

The mantra was the vaccines prevent infection - and then it started changing. So without accessing this Twitter stuff, I already agree with the sentiments ---- the entire system lied through their teeth to all of us over and over again.

I remember all the experts saying the vaccines don't limit infection so all the social distancing is still required.

 

[rvZA]

I remember all the experts saying the vaccines don't limit infection so all the social distancing is still required.

The fact of the matter is that the vaccine does not prevent people from getting infected. The vaccine does not prevent people from spreading it. Even 100% fully vaccinated, you will still get Covid-19 and you will still be spreading it to others.

However, the purpose, now for the vaccine is to try and limit your chances of being hospitalized and dying. Unfortunately, though, latest stats from around globe seems to show more and more fully vaccinated people getting very sick, being hospitalized and some dying.

We will have to wait for the next round of vaccine propaganda to see what they spin up next why the vaccine is so important.

 

[porchrat]

There is one group of vaccines that do prevent infection - the nasal and upper respiratory tract vaccines - because they lead to the direct neutralisation of invading bugs and produce a direct Iga response.

If there's an IgA response it's already in your blood my dude. It's likely already multiplying. That's an infection.

It's over fast, but it's an infection.

In order for something to interact with your immune system it pretty much has to be in you already. Unless you're very lucky that means it's also likely to have started multiplying by the time your immune system gets rolling. It's an infection. Short-lived, but an infection.

 

[porchrat]

But this is exactly what everyone was told, by ALL the experts, even those here in SA.

I don't recall ever reading that it prevents transmission. I must read different sources to you. Better sources by the sounds of it.

The mantra was the vaccines prevent infection - and then it started changing. So without accessing this Twitter stuff, I already agree with the sentiments ---- the entire system lied through their teeth to all of us over and over again.

Again, not really aware of any vaccine that prevents infections.