South Africa freezes nuclear plan to allow for public process

[Jan]

South Africa Freezes Nuclear Plan to Allow for Public Process

South Africa is freezing a plan to obtain more electricity from nuclear sources to allow it to include additional public participation in a move to boost transparency, the nation’s electricity minister said.

The government withdrew a determination published in January that started a process to procure 2,500 megawatts of nuclear-power generation after civil-society groups objected to an approval by the regulator that failed to include public hearings, Electricity and Energy Minister Kgosientsho Ramokgopa said at a briefing Friday.

[Bloomberg]

 

[LCBXX]

Oi vey..
Expect an influx of climate-change acolytes who'll scream renewables, victimisation and DEI.

 

[Swa]

“The last thing we want is to do a major build program on the back of suspicion that the department and government is hiding something from the public.”

Now why would anybody think that?

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

Here come the hippies who don't understand that nuclear is still the cleanest dispatchable energy option we have.

The same hippies who, despite, thousands of reactors throughout the world running without any major incidents that Chernobyl or Fukushima is an inevitability.

 

[Lupus]

Here come the hippies who don't understand that nuclear is still the cleanest dispatchable energy option we have.

The same hippies who, despite, thousands of reactors throughout the world running without any major incidents that Chernobyl or Fukushima is an inevitability.

Plus considering what Fukushima went through and the fact that it didn't go Chernobyl won't sway them either. It's like this reactor literally went through an earthquake and a tsunami and 1 person was killed, plus it didn't go all elephants foot like Chernobyl

 

[semaphore]

Plus considering what Fukushima went through and the fact that it didn't go Chernobyl won't sway them either. It's like this reactor literally went through an earthquake and a tsunami and 1 person was killed, plus it didn't go all elephants foot like Chernobyl

No it just dumped millions of liters of toxic waste into the oceans.

I’m no hippie or anti nuclear energy, but you’re exceptionally ignorant of the environmental damage it’s caused. On land and to the oceans.

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

No it just dumped millions of liters of toxic waste into the oceans.

I’m no hippie or anti nuclear energy, but you’re exceptionally ignorant of the environmental damage it’s caused. On land and to the oceans.

You missed his point entirely.

Fukushima was a result of an "act of God", Chernobyl was due to human error.

Outside of a statistically tiny number of nuclear plants that have suffered some form of catastrophe it remains the cleanest and safest form of dispatchable generation we have available today.

Weigh that up against coal where the by-product is the deliberate pumping of pollutants into the air on a massive scale without the need for some catastrophic breakdown.

 

[R13...]

Oi vey..
Expect an influx of climate-change acolytes who'll scream renewables, victimisation and DEI.

Those are at least two separate groups and usually in opposition.

 

[Lupus]

You missed his point entirely.

Fukushima was a result of an "act of God", Chernobyl was due to human error.

Outside of a statistically tiny number of nuclear plants that have suffered some form of catastrophe it remains the cleanest and safest form of dispatchable generation we have available today.

Weigh that up against coal where the by-product is the deliberate pumping of pollutants into the air on a massive scale without the need for some catastrophic breakdown.

Plus if a coal plant went through the same set of circumstances, it would've been a ton of toxic waste as well + some of it would also effect life in the ocean for far longer than radioactive material as well, so toxic waste vs radioactive waste? They aren't exactly the same, sure both kill, but one is heavily monitored, tracked and generally secured. The other is still spewing tons of pollution and radioactive materials into the air than a nuclear power plant, in fact it's 9 times the amount.

 

[Swa]

You missed his point entirely.

Fukushima was a result of an "act of God", Chernobyl was due to human error.

Outside of a statistically tiny number of nuclear plants that have suffered some form of catastrophe it remains the cleanest and safest form of dispatchable generation we have available today.

Weigh that up against coal where the by-product is the deliberate pumping of pollutants into the air on a massive scale without the need for some catastrophic breakdown.

It's not just those two but Three Mile island as well and we don't know how many misses there are. Also there was a warning not to eat fish in area. The effects of nuclear are cumulative where coal it's usually immediate. Chernobyl also still has a lasting legacy on farming and the healthcare system.

What will ultimately kill nuclear though is not the safety concern but the runaway cost. We should be striving for cleaner air. Now if only there was a form of energy that paid people to use it that the pro nuclear brigade wasn't against.

 

[dualmeister]

include additional public participation

When have the Government ever listened to what the people want?

 

[Swa]

When have the Government ever listened to what the people want?

Etoll? Oh wait, that was 10 years after.

 

[Calkem]

You missed his point entirely.

Fukushima was a result of an "act of God", Chernobyl was due to human error.

Outside of a statistically tiny number of nuclear plants that have suffered some form of catastrophe it remains the cleanest and safest form of dispatchable generation we have available today.

Weigh that up against coal where the by-product is the deliberate pumping of pollutants into the air on a massive scale without the need for some catastrophic breakdown.

I would even venture out to say that coal mining, coal transporting and emissions from coal PS in Mpumalanga alone has killed far more by a factor of a 1000 than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined.... MAX 100 deaths vs MIN 100 000 deaths

 

[Lupus]

I would even venture out to say that coal mining, coal transporting and emissions from coal PS in Mpumalanga alone has killed far more by a factor of a 1000 than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined.... MAX 100 deaths vs MIN 100 000 deaths

Coal also pushes out 9 times the radiation

 

[Swa]

I would even venture out to say that coal mining, coal transporting and emissions from coal PS in Mpumalanga alone has killed far more by a factor of a 1000 than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined.... MAX 100 deaths vs MIN 100 000 deaths

You're not counting indirect deaths where with coal this is always included. It's also not the emissions that are the issue but the single events and for some reason nuclear waste isn't seen as an emission.

 

[dualmeister]

Etoll? Oh wait, that was 10 years after.

Public had a chance before it was implemented.

Presidency on e-tolls and transport infrastructure | South African Government

www.gov.za

The road agency advertised the details of the project, its Intent to Toll, the proposed toll points and expected toll tariffs. The public was given the opportunity to comment in 2007 by the democratic administration led by President Thabo Mbeki. The rationale was outlined.

 

[Calkem]

You're not counting indirect deaths where with coal this is always included. It's also not the emissions that are the issue but the single events and for some reason nuclear waste isn't seen as an emission.

Alright.... How many indirect deaths from Koeberg or Pelindaba?

 

[wingnut771]

Public had a chance before it was implemented.

Presidency on e-tolls and transport infrastructure | South African Government

www.gov.za

The road agency advertised the details of the project, its Intent to Toll, the proposed toll points and expected toll tariffs. The public was given the opportunity to comment in 2007 by the democratic administration led by President Thabo Mbeki. The rationale was outlined.

Do the public have a say before things get renamed?

 

[Lupus]

Do the public have a say before things get renamed?

Yeah but like hitch hikers guide to the galaxy it's well hidden

 

[Swa]

Public had a chance before it was implemented.

Presidency on e-tolls and transport infrastructure | South African Government

www.gov.za

The road agency advertised the details of the project, its Intent to Toll, the proposed toll points and expected toll tariffs. The public was given the opportunity to comment in 2007 by the democratic administration led by President Thabo Mbeki. The rationale was outlined.

Well yes but this was insufficient.