South Africa is OK!

[MacNabs]

What I found quite alarming is OZ has the 3th highest incidence of rape per capita(http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita) yet it's a country where laws are enforced so I'm assuming rapists get caught and convicted. What does that say about the male population of Australia then? (other than they horny)...

Willing to bet that 99.9% of the rapes in Aus are reported, unlike in SA where its about 25%. Remember SA is the rape capital of the world, in Aus if you convicted of rape you will be put in jail, in SA you get to roam the streets looking for more targets! And it’s a daytime activity amoungst the youth of today.

Yup.

And Aus and UK have higher per capita burglary and car theft rates than SA does.

(Yes, SA does have much higher violent crime rates, but the point is that other countries are not immune to crime).

Absolute bollocks! In Aus or the UK the stats are reported, unlike SA where they are very under reported and changed to suite the governments claims that crime is coming down!!! Never rely on the SA crime stats!!! Test this yourself, park your car anywhere in JHB, leave a phone on the front seat, and see which car/phone disappears first in which country, in Hillbrow the car won’t last 1 second. Why is a tracker device for cars unheard of in Aus or NZ? Why does nobody here know what a gorilla lock is? In all my years here in NZ I have never seen a gorilla grip on a car, let alone a gear lock. PS: NZ and Aus are very simular when it comes to crime, hence I am commenting on behalf of my experiences here in NZ. Oh ja, add hijacking to the list of car thefts, in SA its under a subcategory called “hijacking”. Those cars get stolen too.

Gauteng, 2008
http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/_provinces/gauteng/pdf/gauteng.pdf
7466 hijacked cars, 39,961 stolen cars.

Western Cape 2008,
http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/_provinces/w_cape/pdf/westerncape.pdf
923 hijacked cars, 12955 stolen cars.

Also remember burglary in SA is also under a sub category, Robbery at residential premises, over 7000 cases in one year, gauteng alone. Thats not burglary, this is where the thugs come in with guns, something unheard of in Aus or NZ.

Originally Posted by a-person
When my lady and I decide to have children...they will be brought up in SA, where there is a local veld and sunshine, not some hooded yob hanging in a wet alleyway with a knife in his pocket thinking he's hard.

Wet alleyway?HAHAHA, you find those in SA too. Compare these bad areas in the UK with the bad areas in SA, Really think you will come out much worse in any of the bad areas in SA. As for the veld? Not much of it left where its still safe to leave the kids playing around. Forget the sun, SA is not the only place where it shines, also remember the world is a little bigger than the UK and SA. Don’t think I know of any place in SA where its safe to drop off the kids for the day! You making the wrong comparisons, you comparing the worst of the UK, to the best of SA (whats left of it), make your comparisons with the worst of the UK, vs the worst of SA. Ie, health system in the UK, with state health in SA etc… etc.., Public transport in SA, vs public transport in UK etc etc.

 

[Slooth]

If Scott Cundill says it's ok, than it must be! Right?

 

[sand_man]

Willing to bet that 99.9% of the rapes in Aus are reported, unlike in SA where its about 25%. Remember SA is the rape capital of the world, in Aus if you convicted of rape you will be put in jail, in SA you get to roam the streets looking for more targets! And it’s a daytime activity amoungst the youth of today.

I'm not disagreeing, SA's criminals go unpunished cause they never actually get caught. There's no defending the crime pandemic we're exposed to in SA but my point is more about Australia's high incident of rape despite their effective policing and judicial system. What's becoming of their society if despite rapists being brought to book they still continue to have such a high incidence of new cases?

 

[ldmelsa]

You cannot cut down a tree without council approval.

you can't here either
you can in your own yard though
did he mean own yard?

 

[Natasha H]

Dutch citizenship will allow you to live anywhere within the EU. And Switzerland IIRC.

Thank you

 

[CyraxHB]

I dont agree. I have just arrived back in SA after spending 2 years in the UK and guess what, all those rules make people behave like civilised human beings. Their healthcare system is actually awesome because everything is free, cities are far cleaner than those in SA, the police do their jobs, and government officials have at least finished school. On their CV's, degrees are more important that struggle credentials.

 

[news24]

Never rely on the SA crime stats!!! ... Hillbrow the car won’t last 1 second.
Public transport in SA,

SA stats, based on what? Have you ever been to Hilllbrow?(and I'm not talking pre-1994)

Public Transport, we have a good public transport, I myself use it most of the time.

There is a saying "There is no place like Home", even though your in NZ, your still hooked on SA, myBB for example, and the Stats your quoting(What's up with that? Are you checking to see if crime levels have dropped so that you can come back home?)

 

[news24]

I dont agree. I have just arrived back in SA after spending 2 years in the UK and guess what, all those rules make people behave like civilised human beings. Their healthcare system is actually awesome because everything is free, cities are far cleaner than those in SA, the police do their jobs, and government officials have at least finished school. On their CV's, degrees are more important that struggle credentials.

How do you suppose them to have finished school, if the Apartheid government never made it easier for them to learn? You can mention how dilapidated state institutions are, but don't question their education level, knowing well that at those times(pre-Democracy) it was not easy for the to get a decent education.

 

[Zenbaas]

How do you suppose them to have finished school, if the Apartheid government never made it easier for them to learn? You can mention how dilapidated state institutions are, but don't question their education level, knowing well that at those times(pre-Democracy) it was not easy for the to get a decent education.

Ok...but what is stopping them now...? And what about all the people that did get or at least finished their education pre-democracy as you put it? Is their education then worthless...?

 

[Skinner]

I dont agree. I have just arrived back in SA after spending 2 years in the UK and guess what, all those rules make people behave like civilised human beings.

Yes, and turn them into robots, so that they effectively become drones. They are nothing but a number to their employers.

Europe sucks.

 

[PeterCH]

How do you suppose them to have finished school, if the Apartheid government never made it easier for them to learn? You can mention how dilapidated state institutions are, but don't question their education level, knowing well that at those times(pre-Democracy) it was not easy for the to get a decent education.

Surely they should not be putting themselves ahead of the country.
If they are poorly educated for reasons of evil apartheid, they should wait until world standard blacks are trained and appoint them on merit instead of putting people with dodgy credentials into positions which they are incapable of handling effectively. At the end you disadvantage the whole country, and while the ones with the faces in the trough may not see this immediately their voters will suffer and ultimately less tax revenue will come in, as SA slowly progresses along it's slide to a complete banana republic.

 

[PeterCH]

New Japanese minister steps down

Mr Nakayama was criticised over a series of controversial remarks. He called Japan's largest teachers' union a "cancer" in the education system.

He also angered Japan's indigenous Ainu people last week, when he described the country as ethnically homogeneous.

The remark was seen as particularly insensitive because Japanese parliament passed a landmark resolution in June recognising the Ainu as "an indigenous people with a distinct language, religion and culture".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7640197.stm

And there you see, someone with accountability, and above all HONOUR. Not saying all Japanese are honourable but their politicians at least try to be or its expected of them. The guy made a gaffe, and he apologised then did what a real man would do, someone who doesn't need to prove the size of his penis, even though it affected the minority (Ainu ethnic group) and a teacher's union. In SA, our fat-cat ministers and functionaries are untouchable unless the head honcho is changed and then they all fly out, good or bad. Just another reason why South
Africa will not achieve its potential.

What do government ministers typically call whites in SA despite constitutional declerations that we're all equal? No need to point this all out, we all know the bigotry.

 

[MacNabs]

SA stats, based on what? Have you ever been to Hilllbrow?(and I'm not talking pre-1994)

Public Transport, we have a good public transport, I myself use it most of the time.

There is a saying "There is no place like Home", even though your in NZ, your still hooked on SA, myBB for example, and the Stats your quoting(What's up with that? Are you checking to see if crime levels have dropped so that you can come back home?)

Yip been to Hillbrow, it sucks. Probably the worst place in the world to visit, and I have been to many places in my life. Last time was about 4 years ago.

SA has public transport? What are you referring to those unroadworthy taxis which drive up pavements and have all disregard for the law? If you have ever been to a first world country, you will understand. SA does not have public transport!!! How do u get to work? I am interested to hear?

There is no place like home, true. I miss SA every day. It just sucks that its not the place to bring up kids. The SA i miss does not exist anymore, so returning to the current place which some of you refer to as SA, is not home!

 

[MacNabs]

How do you suppose them to have finished school, if the Apartheid government never made it easier for them to learn? You can mention how dilapidated state institutions are, but don't question their education level, knowing well that at those times(pre-Democracy) it was not easy for the to get a decent education.

That same government you are referring to did indeed build schools for the disadvantaged. Do some research, actually they did more than the current government is doing for them now. Currently the schools are much worse off overall than they have ever been...

 

[sand_man]

That same government you are referring to did indeed build schools for the disadvantaged. Do some research, actually they did more than the current government is doing for them now. Currently the schools are much worse off overall than they have ever been...

Well that's not entirely true. Specific government schools pre 1994 were closed to blacks but post 1994 Jeppe, KES, Grey College, DHS all the top schools are open to all which is the way it should be....

 

[PeterCH]

Well that's not entirely true. Specific government schools pre 1994 were closed to blacks but post 1994 Jeppe, KES, Grey College, DHS all the top schools are open to all which is the way it should be....

Private schools were open to blacks in the 80s.

 

[MacNabs]

Well that's not entirely true. Specific government schools pre 1994 were closed to blacks but post 1994 Jeppe, KES, Grey College, DHS all the top schools are open to all which is the way it should be....

The previous goverment may have forbid blacks in the local white schools, but they did build schools for blacks in many of the townships. Not much has changed, Opera's school in Johannesburg does not allow whites!!!!

 

[TheHiveMind]

How do you suppose them to have finished school, if the Apartheid government never made it easier for them to learn? You can mention how dilapidated state institutions are, but don't question their education level, knowing well that at those times(pre-Democracy) it was not easy for the to get a decent education.

So we should risk an entire country of people out of sympathy? Thats retarded. Why don't they go get an education now?????

 

[Claymore]

I dont agree. I have just arrived back in SA after spending 2 years in the UK and guess what, all those rules make people behave like civilised human beings. Their healthcare system is actually awesome because everything is free, cities are far cleaner than those in SA, the police do their jobs, and government officials have at least finished school. On their CV's, degrees are more important that struggle credentials.

Much of what you say is right, but I'd like to comment on a couple of things:
- NHS is free, but judging from what my UK friends say, you can sometimes wait months for an appointment. And it's virtually impossible to get dental work done on NHS.
- I was in the centre of Joburg, and walked several blocks from Simmonds St to the licencing department in Loveday. It was something like 5 blocks before I saw a single item of litter on the road/pavement. (Yeah, I was quite surprised...)

 

[news24]

So we should risk an entire country of people out of sympathy? Thats retarded. Why don't they go get an education now?????

Its not Sympathy. Anyway, a politician does not need a high education. And yes we do have extremely qualified people(black or white) in the country, that it academic wise. You cannot take someone from a position of competence and elevate that person to a position of incompetence.

That's why I do not support, removing a good police officer from the field, who have a good record and unrivaled arrest record, and put that person in an office to manage people, we have taken that person from a position of excellence and we put him in a position of failure.

Politicians will always consult with academics on some matters. But keep academics to their field, and let politicians do their job. Funny thing though, the collective uneducated/unqualified politicians, predominantly black, have lead this nation to the longest sustained economic growth in our nations history, and pre-94 elated Academics could not achieve this, with all their hard cover books.

And some genius talked about the Japanese Prime Minister who resigned, and labeled that "accountability", I believe that's the same guy who filled his cabinet with academics, did it work for him? He screwed up, and a bunch of e=mc^2 could not do anything about that, because they were in an arena that they are not accustomed to...