South Africa must reform or it's "game over"

BBSA

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did you read it? does it say anything sensible
It is actually not to bad, the RET crowd hated it so that is a good sign. No too much socialist crap in it.

Here is an article from the DM:

I doubt they will ever implement it.
 

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Reading the news yesterday I snickered at this remark,


"A good communist is in the African National Congress. That's why today I am not wearing a red colour (SACP colours) but I am in full colours of our movement, the African National Congress," Nzimande said."

There is reform for you.
 

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Well thank you captain obvious. Guess there's no place for EWOC then?

Fkn economic transformation. To what, socialism?
Fukk right off.
Socialism is the answer to everything.
 

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1. It doesn't actually mention active involvement of the government lifting the poor out of poverty. So the ANC can't take credit.
2. It requires the ANC government to step back and let economics do its thing of creating jobs which will indicate that they have been doing it wrong for the past quarter century.
3. It removes power from unions by ignoring their pleas of worker empowerment above the business instead of equality.
4. It goes against the communists who believe people are inherently too stupid to help each other, create a balanced system based on economic value.

There will be no reform except a further slide away from democracy and free market.
 

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Tito: We must reform
Moodys: Downgrade
Cyril: I am shocked
 
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They have been reforming SA into the ground the last +-20 years, what is the magic bullet this time round. Everything is declining but lets continue reforming. (read steeling)
 

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It is actually not to bad, the RET crowd hated it so that is a good sign. No too much socialist crap in it.

Here is an article from the DM:

I doubt they will ever implement it.
thanks

from that article
Over 62 pages — the other pages are references, indicating pernickety research — the economic reform discussion paper sets out key interventions, broadly speaking in boosting network industries — water, transport, telecommunications and electricity — lowering the barriers of entry and the cost of doing business, prioritising labour-intensive sectors such as tourism and agriculture, more flexible industrial policy and greater export competitiveness, also to make better use of regional opportunities.
 

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Research, publications, white papers, recommendations; there is nothing new about these documents. Goverment was served these documents a decade ago, warning them about the problems we face today. They chose to ignore them... same as how they will ignore this 62 page research paper.

Between 2020 - 2022, I see a tax revolt, as well as stage 7 and 8 load shedding happening.

South Africa will go through very difficult times in the next decade. We do not have leadership that is genuinly interested in making things better (ANC is bad, DA is no better, EFF... same whatsapp group). It will be a tough time, but I hope we will recover.
 

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I see we are threatened with 10 hour black outs.

Can someone explain why nobody has been jailed yet?
We know about this shyt for 10 plus years and absolutely fuskall is done.
Tito you moron we all know SA needs to reform but your party and its lack of political will will not get it done. They way its going Ramaphosa is just going to be another rich uncle Bob
 

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Won't happen.
We will recover in one form or the other, but it will be without any confidence and trust from the contributors (taxpayers, investors, etc.). The market of the government will shift shape or let me put it this way, the taxpaying portion of the country will have declined in both size and citizenship.
 

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ANC is bad, DA is no better
how did you tally that comparison.

i see the pile of ****ups the height of everest of the anc side, compared to the earthworm mound size of ****ups from the da.

what have you seen the da do that can be compared to all the destruction the anc has caused during their leadership.
 

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how did you tally that comparison.

i see the pile of ****ups the height of everest of the anc side, compared to the earthworm mound size of ****ups from the da.

what have you seen the da do that can be compared to all the destruction the anc has caused during their leadership.
We haven't actually seen them lead. Where they are in charge services are also not much better but more expensive.
 

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Fkn economic transformation. To what, socialism?
Fukk right off.
Our main control system in the world is money(Flow of resources). Now if you can't work with money, it does not matter which political ideology you persue, like Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, none of these are going to save you, its that simple.
Money don't get lost(Promises does), money just flow from one account to the other but it's here where the ballance gets scewed in malpractices etc,..resources does get waisted in a way where it gets dumped eventually, nothing build lasts forever.
So not knowing how to work with money, does not only imply the individual at his home.
 

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Our main control system in the world is money(Flow of resources). Now if you can't work with money, it does not matter which political ideology you persue, like Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, none of these are going to save you, its that simple.
Money don't get lost(Promises does), money just flow from one account to the other but it's here where the ballance gets scewed in malpractices etc,..resources does get waisted in a way where it gets dumped eventually, nothing build lasts forever.
So not knowing how to work with money, does not only imply the individual at his home.
So the way I see it SA is in a trickier space than most as it has a history of heavy state involvement in industry thanks to pre & post apartheid gov and where gov has liberalized.. its been offered with monopoly which has abused to hell and back mostly with the consumer paying for it all..

I think the mobile & data network stuff is likely the worst of it all as it hit our GDP in ways that other African countries can’t believe. Kinda why SA is circling the drain. If you think Eskom is bad.. check the impact of telecoms compounded for 25yrs.. it makes Eskom issues look avg or growth pains.

Can you then say, privatize it all..
I dunno what the solution is.. ideally opening up but when businesses here threatens to fire staff en mass to force gov to keep things closed off its tricky.
 

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I see we are threatened with 10 hour black outs.

Can someone explain why nobody has been jailed yet?
We know about this shyt for 10 plus years and absolutely fuskall is done.
Tito you moron we all know SA needs to reform but your party and its lack of political will will not get it done. They way its going Ramaphosa is just going to be another rich uncle Bob
Who threatened you with a 10 hour blackout?
 

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“The ANC made its decision on the structural reforms in the NEC in September and therefore the ball is in the court of the government to implement the NEC resolutions of September,” Godongwana said.
When things go well, it's never the government, it's always "we, the anc".
When good times go bad, it's never the anc, it's always "them, the government".

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