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South Africa: not civil war but sad decay
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so why does that make me fortunate - lemme guess , cause i can leave while this country is run into the ground like the rest of africa
u are so ignorant!!! black people have the srongest voice in this country already (is this not why we vote) , but the government still does not listen
Do you think most voters consider crime to be the most urgent of South Africa's problems? If so, my dear fellow, it is you who are ignorant.
You are kidding right? The voters don't vote for issues, they vote for their favourite celebrities. There is just simply no other explanation - how do you keep voting for a political party or alliance that promises but quite simply never ever delivers? Crime is but one thing that should affect the way people are voting - the other issues should also play a role - like service delivery. Service delivery in SA is simply shocking. Unemployment is yet another. Not to mention housing shortages, AIDS and other dread diseases. Every one of those things I've mentioned is no longer just in issue in South Africa, it is a crisis. But the leadership in this country is doing the exact same thing as its apartheid predecessors, and that is denying that there is a problem. South Africa is in the grip of one of the biggest challenges that can be imagined, but the government either remains completely quiet (like Thabo "Silence" Mbeki), or slams any criticism (Ivy "More Power" Caseburri, Manto "Garlic Breath" Tshabalala-Msimang, Charlie "Shaddap or Leaf" Nqakula, etc etc).
There are severe problems that need sorting out right now - the ANC led government is not coming up with solutions, and let's face it, as long as they are guaranteed power by the uneducated, unemployed, sick and dying voters, why should they even try?
jontyB I wish I was kidding. I don't think a lot of voters make the connection between what's good for business and what's good for them. It's all about needs. According to Maslows hierarchy, security needs come after physiological needs. In other words, while you still don't have shelter, food, running water etc, fighting crime is a secondary concern. The government has done a lot to bring water, electricity, health services etc to the poor (although there are some spactacular failures) and the people continue to support them based on that.
All this is just my take on it. I don't know if it's true, but I think you'll agree that the ANC will win the next election despite the crime rate.
All this is just my take on it. I don't know if it's true, but I think you'll agree that the ANC will win the next election despite the crime rate.
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Hello.
Ha Ha! Read some of your posts.
There seems to be a large desire for many of you to get out of South Africa. I don't blame you. The grass really is greener on the other side of the fence.
It is a little colder, but then who needs the heat when you are becoming poorer day by day.
Get out while you still can. It's hard but worth the effort.
You can stay, but then you can wallow in the decay.
Ha Ha! Read some of your posts.
There seems to be a large desire for many of you to get out of South Africa. I don't blame you. The grass really is greener on the other side of the fence.
It is a little colder, but then who needs the heat when you are becoming poorer day by day.
Get out while you still can. It's hard but worth the effort.
You can stay, but then you can wallow in the decay.
The ANC could probably have done nothing for the last 5 years and still win the election, but thats another issue. Security is needed to secure the physiological needs though, electricity doesn't work well if the cables are stolen, hospitals are continually robbed etc.
Freedom from violence and assault is arguably just as important or more important than health services, with less violence at least partially augmenting the need for healthcare.
I see your point but think it would be more valid if the crimes involved were mostly property-related e.g. robbery etc. because a lot of people in this country probably have less to lose in that respect than most of us on this forum, but crimes like murder and rape affect everybody equally, perhaps the poor even more because they can't afford better security, armed response etc.
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That is the best way Ive ever heard it put. And its right on the money. There is no ways that any half-intelligent person with a small dose of common sense could vote someone like JZ into power. But if there was to be an election to decide who would be the new Prez of the ANC (and by default Prez of SA) tomorrow, what would in all likelyhood happen? Like the old saying goes: never underestimate the power of large numbers of stupid people.
Now before I get labelled a racist, I did not once mentione race. If the cap however fits....
Great post, every word so true!
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South Africa in Decay
Leaving South Africa and moving to Canada many years ago gives me tremendous insight into the situation.
I agree that many people want to have their basic needs met and for this reason they will certainly vote the ANC in or Zuma or whatever. Crime is secondary to having their needs met.
The trouble is that, as per this thread, South Africa will evolve into a state that resembles countries like Kenya, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi, Congo, Sudan etc. It is just the way Africa is and many people in SA need to get used to that. South Africa will remain, but will ultimately fall into decay for many decades if not centuries to come. This is just the reality It is the way of Africa. In the last 20 years we have already seen the decay set in, just like a tooth getting decayed. This will not end.
Perhaps one day in a hundred or two hundred years, SA will rise from the ashes and mend itself. Who knows.
The funny thing is that I have met many educated BLACK Africans in Canada who left their countries because of the rampant corruption and crime that has smitten their countries. These Blacks are the ones who have now had their basic needs met and then become educated and become petroleum engineers or financial consultants or something like that. Then they leave Africa.
The irony is that they left Africa for good because Africa could no longer meet their needs or their families needs after their basic needs were met. Food for thought.
Leaving South Africa and moving to Canada many years ago gives me tremendous insight into the situation.
I agree that many people want to have their basic needs met and for this reason they will certainly vote the ANC in or Zuma or whatever. Crime is secondary to having their needs met.
The trouble is that, as per this thread, South Africa will evolve into a state that resembles countries like Kenya, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi, Congo, Sudan etc. It is just the way Africa is and many people in SA need to get used to that. South Africa will remain, but will ultimately fall into decay for many decades if not centuries to come. This is just the reality It is the way of Africa. In the last 20 years we have already seen the decay set in, just like a tooth getting decayed. This will not end.
Perhaps one day in a hundred or two hundred years, SA will rise from the ashes and mend itself. Who knows.
The funny thing is that I have met many educated BLACK Africans in Canada who left their countries because of the rampant corruption and crime that has smitten their countries. These Blacks are the ones who have now had their basic needs met and then become educated and become petroleum engineers or financial consultants or something like that. Then they leave Africa.
The irony is that they left Africa for good because Africa could no longer meet their needs or their families needs after their basic needs were met. Food for thought.
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Education won't help South Africa at this point in time because the type of education needed is not something the ANC can provide.
My point was that South Africa is up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
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Sadly, the ANC does not even know what a paddle looks like.
Again, the new reality facing South Africa is that it will end up staggering into a future that will be bleak at best and tragic at worst. Hopefully it will be just bleak. At least if it is bleak then people can get by just like they did in the Dark Ages before the renaissance.
It wasn't so bad living in the Dark Ages. People still managed to eat and survive and, after 1000-1500 years or so, they were able to claw there way into the light. So too will this be the course of Africa.
Again, the new reality facing South Africa is that it will end up staggering into a future that will be bleak at best and tragic at worst. Hopefully it will be just bleak. At least if it is bleak then people can get by just like they did in the Dark Ages before the renaissance.
It wasn't so bad living in the Dark Ages. People still managed to eat and survive and, after 1000-1500 years or so, they were able to claw there way into the light. So too will this be the course of Africa.
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Don't delude yourself.
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Oh? And what's your basis for comparison? Two flawed systems?
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No delusion here on my side friend.
Why don't you try living in the 1st world for almost 20 years and see what happens to your 3rd world way of thinking and living.