South Africa to Broaden Vaccine Rollout With Pfizer Doses Monday

Gordon_R

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Vaccine seller wants to sell more vaccine. Who woulda thunk?

Pfizer are selling their vaccine at cost-price 'for the duration of the pandemic'. After that the price gouging will start! A lifetime supply is always more profitable than a one-time cure...
 

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one for the "Pfizer > any other vaccine" crowd ...
 

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And Sinovac is only 50% effective after second shot, barely effective after 1st shot against new variants.
 

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one for the "Pfizer > any other vaccine" crowd ...
Was has that got to do with Pfizer or any other specific vaccine for that matter? Seems to be a general report on vaccines and delta.
 

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Was has that got to do with Pfizer or any other specific vaccine for that matter? Seems to be a general report on vaccines and delta.
Israel has the highest vaccine rate of their population (60% totally vaccinated) and Israel used Pfizer to do it

so what does it have to do with Pfizer? Everything, the only country in the world with as high a total vaccination rate as 60% entirely done with Pfizer has found in the real world the efficacy of Pfizer is 64%, substantially lower than what's been claimed
 

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The Israeli study is methodologically flawed:

all data on everything Covid is methodologically flawed, there's no reason to start using it as a factor to consider now ...

- WHO testing guidelines adjusted in Jan 2021 rendering PCR tests prior to that invalid or at least on a different baseline entirely
- US OSHA officially not requiring vaccine side effects to be reported rendering vaccine side effect data invalid
- reports throughout of Covid deaths being attributed even when people die from car accidents, rendering covid death counts invalid

if we're going to blindly accept all that BS we have to accept Israel's real world data as well, or reject all of it
 

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Israel second dosed after 21 days - efficacy is better after 42 days....
except a single dose is claimed (by Pfizer) to have 82% efficacy

64% after two doses, whatever the regimen, is a big drop from claimed figures
 

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except a single dose is claimed (by Pfizer) to have 82% efficacy

64% after two doses, whatever the regimen, is a big drop from claimed figures

When talking about vaccine effectiveness, you have to qualify what they are effective for:

64% against symptomatic Covid. In other words, getting any symptoms at all.

Vaccines are meant to prevent severe disease and death. Not zero Covid. Pfizer was 95% effective at preventing symptomatic Covid of the original Alpha variant. It is now only 64% effective at preventing symptomatic disease due to Delta and other variants.

but......

All vaccines are >90% effective at preventing severe disease and death. still....
 

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When talking about vaccine effectiveness, you have to qualify what they are effective for:

64% against symptomatic Covid. In other words, getting any symptoms at all.

Vaccines are meant to prevent severe disease and death. Not zero Covid. Pfizer was 95% effective at preventing symptomatic Covid of the original Alpha variant. It is now only 64% effective at preventing symptomatic disease due to Delta and other variants.

but......

All vaccines are >90% effective at preventing severe disease and death. still....
the moment you have to qualify to that extent you have lost the plot (not you specifically, but the ones who are pushing the narrative)

the original fantastical figures may have come with all those provisos, but none of them were widely reported, just the figures themselves for the most part

it is only fair then to take the significantly worse figures without qualification as well, it is still wrong, but ethically more correct in that it keeps the error consistent, you can't invite error when it suits your narrative and reject error when it doesn't
 
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