South Africa tour of Australia, Oct - Nov 2016

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It is the point actually. You have to look at where we're playing, and the conditions. Steyn doesn't need the pitch or overhead conditions to suit bowling, he's performed everywhere and his record reflects that. He didn't play in India last year, but he averages something like 20 there, so it's not irrelevant at all...

This...

I think some minds are made up, and wont be altered.
I for one would pick him, when he is fit.

Hopefully CSA don't rush him back next time, and allow him the time to get enough bowling under his belt before getting back into the team. He is the type of bowler that needs to bowl and bowl and bowl to get his rhythm and body in the right shape. He has said that. It also explains why he often starts slowly in matches or series only to get better and better as it goes.
Time will tell I guess.
 

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It is the point actually. You have to look at where we're playing, and the conditions. Steyn doesn't need the pitch or overhead conditions to suit bowling, he's performed everywhere and his record reflects that. He didn't play in India last year, but he averages something like 20 there, so it's not irrelevant at all...

Dale's replacement is Kagiso...not Abbott. After seeing him reverse the ball at Perth so well, I'm not particularly worried about dry subcontinent pitches (excluding the ones India gave us).

By the time England rolls around in July, things may be different...at the moment, gambling on Dale doesn't seem worth it. Sure it would be great to have them both in the team but is it critical? I don't think so. When they're both fit, we have the luxury of 2 fantastic fast bowlers...we don't need to rush Dale back.
 

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After watching the bowling this morning, do any of the seamers deserve to be dropped? Does Dale offer anything we didn't see today or over the course of the 2 matches he's (mostly) missed?

I stand by my viewpoint - this morning was the best bowling I've seen in a unit. We didn't need Dale to do it...if we keep bowling like this, I wouldn't select him (that's my opinion as an armchair selector). If one of the bowlers loses form or picks up an injury and he's ready to go, then hell yes - call him up.

It's not the worst thing in the world for a 33 year old fast bowler to not be playing 15 days of 90 over cricket in a month. Alan Donald could have used a game or two off towards the end of his career instead of trying to be fit for every game.
If Steyn played this match Aus would have been dimissed for 49 and 100. Steyn is unplayable in conditions such as these.
 

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Can't believe the comments about Steyn.Still world class and one of the best bowlers in his generation.
He has that rare quality of being able to bowl at extreme pace and move the ball prodigiously.Pure quality.
 

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Can't believe the comments about Steyn.Still world class and one of the best bowlers in his generation.
He has that rare quality of being able to bowl at extreme pace and move the ball prodigiously.Pure quality.

Yeah. Just too fragile to pay an entire test match apparently.
 

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If Steyn played this match Aus would have been dimissed for 49 and 100. Steyn is unplayable in conditions such as these.

How does that saying go? If wishes were horses, and something about beggars riding?

Ifs buts and maybes. The fact is, steyn breaks after a handful of overs in a test match.
 

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If Steyn played this match Aus would have been dimissed for 49 and 100. Steyn is unplayable in conditions such as these.

With one arm...truly, he is Superman.

You guys need to chill and gain some objectivity...it's like everyone's forgotten what watching Donald's last tests were like (it was properly heartbreaking watching him try to come back from injury after injury).

Dale doesn't have to play every match anymore...we're good enough to take on any team without him. Used wisely, we can get a couple more years out of him.
 

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With one arm...truly, he is Superman.

You guys need to chill and gain some objectivity...it's like everyone's forgotten what watching Donald's last tests were like (it was properly heartbreaking watching him try to come back from injury after injury).

Dale doesn't have to play every match anymore...we're good enough to take on any team without him. Used wisely, we can get a couple more years out of him.

Logic dude. Nicely said, and yeah, it was proper heartbreaking to watch Donald being used up at the end.
 

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The recent victories without AB almost makes me think his time is up(certainly as captain). I don't think guys coming back from injuries should just have an automatic place in the team purely based on reputation.

i agree a 100% prove that you in form first.

then get back to the team.

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I stand by my viewpoint - this morning was the best bowling I've seen in a unit. We didn't need Dale to do it...if we keep bowling like this, I wouldn't select him (that's my opinion as an armchair selector). If one of the bowlers loses form or picks up an injury and he's ready to go, then hell yes - call him up.

I agree that the unit together was the best , and lauded here in Australia too BTW by Chappell, Clarke, Warne, Healy et al

At the moment, Rabada is proving that he is/will be an even better bowler than Steyn. Steyn bowled way to short at WACA whereas the spells that Rabada have put in have been absolutely absorbing to watch. Monday evening to Smith, much better balls than the one that dismissed him (too good), and the way he sets up the batsman..yesterday when the batsmen were countering the movement they dropped short occasionally and Smith was set up by the one that rapped him on knuckles 3 balls earlier.

That said, Steyn - when fit and bowling 100%- should come back. Abbott bowled well, but one match on one pitch is not enough proof- and even with Abbott, there really is no class spinner, so 4 quicks plus Duminy/Elgar etc would have been even more disastrous for Aussies.
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...also ditto, AB should walk back in. I am not really convinced about the batting line up. The Aussies bowled poorly.
Cook is not test standard and at his age no time to develop
Duminy is up and down...scores like WACA to rare and only when he can play the 'loose' game.

Crazy not to have AB back when fit and in form.

BTW, what is the view on quotas these days?..not stirring, but a genuine question. The current team contained 6 non white, several of which led the domination, and all justifiably in team.

Quotas can be done away with, but would some of them be there today if it wasn't originally imposed?
 

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I agree that the unit together was the best , and lauded here in Australia too BTW by Chappell, Clarke, Warne, Healy et al

At the moment, Rabada is proving that he is/will be an even better bowler than Steyn. Steyn bowled way to short at WACA whereas the spells that Rabada have put in have been absolutely absorbing to watch. Monday evening to Smith, much better balls than the one that dismissed him (too good), and the way he sets up the batsman..yesterday when the batsmen were countering the movement they dropped short occasionally and Smith was set up by the one that rapped him on knuckles 3 balls earlier.

That said, Steyn - when fit and bowling 100%- should come back. Abbott bowled well, but one match on one pitch is not enough proof- and even with Abbott, there really is no class spinner, so 4 quicks plus Duminy/Elgar etc would have been even more disastrous for Aussies.
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Agree with the AB factor. As said before, I am a JP fan, and also Bavuma has shown some good form, but if you have to choose AB is miles better than both of them. I would probably prefer JP between the two of them, but with the black requirement you have to stick with Bavuma. So the only option is to drop Cook and make it work somehow.


...also ditto, AB should walk back in. I am not really convinced about the batting line up. The Aussies bowled poorly.
Cook is not test standard and at his age no time to develop
Duminy is up and down...scores like WACA to rare and only when he can play the 'loose' game.

Crazy not to have AB back when fit and in form.

BTW, what is the view on quotas these days?..not stirring, but a genuine question. The current team contained 6 non white, several of which led the domination, and all justifiably in team.

Quotas can be done away with, but would some of them be there today if it wasn't originally imposed?
 

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Mint saliva.

:crylaugh::crylaugh::crylaugh:

Because them straws ain't gonna clutch at themselves.
 

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Well it looks like the 'will he won't he' debate around ABD's return can be put to bed...

De Villiers to remain captain on return - Zondi

South Africa's Test captaincy is not up for discussion and will return to AB de Villiers once he is match fit. De Villiers has been sidelined since July with an elbow injury and has been replaced by Faf du Plessis, who has yet to lose a match in his stand-in stint, but will have to hand the job back when de Villiers returns.

"At the moment it's clear to us that Faf is stand-in captain and AB is the current captain when he comes back, looking at his fitness and so on," Linda Zondi, South Africa's convener of selectors, said after the Hobart Test.

Although the board and not the selection panel appointed the captain, Zondi said the directive is likely to be to give de Villiers his job back once he is back on the park. When de Villiers underwent surgery in late September, he was diagnosed as needing eight to ten weeks of recovery time which should put him on track to play the home series in Sri Lanka in December-January. De Villiers will not have had any game time since mid-July, when he turned out for the Barbados Tridents in the Caribbean Premier League.

Zondi has not expressly said de Villiers will need to play some domestic cricket but has indicated that the panel would like him to have some game time. "We will be guided by the medical team in terms of where he is and in terms of match fitness," Zondi said. "That's important. He has been away for five months - a long time. For starters, he has to be match fit. We will take it from there."

Should de Villiers need to play some cricket, his only opportunity will come in the domestic T20 competition. There was some talk of de Villiers joining the squad ahead of the day-night Test in Adelaide, which is preceded by a two-day warm-up game in Melbourne, in a bid to put himself in contention for the pink ball Test but both coach Russell Domingo and stand-in captain du Plessis had brushed off such suggestions. To that end, de Villiers had not traveled to Australia yet, and it appears unlikely that he will.

That would mean du Plessis has at least one more match in charge to add to a legacy against Australia that has already seen the team make history. Du Plessis led the ODI side to a first-ever 5-0 whitewash against Australia and a third successive Test series win in Australia. He has impressed with his skills as skipper and Zondi admitted the selectors were pleased with the way du Plessis had progressed.

"We nominated Faf to be a stand-in captain and he has done a very good job," Zondi said. "It was an easy process for us when the decision was made because he was already a T20 captain. So it was continuation. We are excited to have him as a leader.

"It just gives us more options. And we have other guys. Like I said, Hashim Amla, who also brings that experience. We are quite excited about how Faf has shown leadership but we are not going to be carried away."

It may be surprising to hear Zondi mention Amla among the leaders, especially after he stepped down as captain earlier in the year. However, Amla is the most experienced batsman, and in the absence of Dale Steyn, the most experienced member of the squad overall, and although he has only contributed 48 runs across the two Tests, has been involved in team discussions and at the forefront of celebrations.
 

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Watching that clip from Faf shining up that ball... That is illegal as far as I know. The English accused the Aussies for the same thing a while ago in some Ashes test.
That puts a damper on the hard work and performances from our bowlers. Whould that have been ale to to the same without Faf using saliva? I would like to think so, but you can bet your ass the aussies will say no way.
First Test bouncing the ball to rough it up. Second test the saliva. few years ago the zipper in his pants for that Pakistan game.
Not cool to be shown your team is cheating.
 
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