South Africa vs Australia Official Tour Thread

[Noob-Noob]

We tried that in Brisbane - go with an all pace attack with Duminy bowling spin. Duminy got injured and we were stuffed, we were lucky to get away with a draw there.

In that case
1.Smith
2.Alviro (also on thin ice)
3.Amla
4.S.Van Zyl
5.AB
6.Duminey
7.Elgar
8.C.Morris
9.V.Philander
10.D.Steyn
11.M.Morkel

Prince has also really preformed well with the bat the last few seasons, i would seriously considered replacing Alviro with him, and let Amla and Smith open, with Prince coming in at 3. unfortunately Prince's age counts against him, and cant recall if he retired from international cricket.

 

[modern10]

In that case
1.Smith
2.Alviro (also on thin ice)
3.Amla
4.S.Van Zyl
5.AB
6.Duminey
7.Elgar
8.C.Morris
9.V.Philander
10.D.Steyn
11.M.Morkel

Prince has also really preformed well with the bat the last few seasons, i would seriously considered replacing Alviro with him, and let Amla and Smith open, with Prince coming in at 3. unfortunately Prince's age counts against him, and cant recall if he retired from international cricket.

A lot wrong with what you're saying. Firstly Alviro averaged over 63 against India and was integral in us playing out a draw in the first test against India.

Lots of guys have better records than Stiaan van Zyl I don't think 4 good domestic games justifies inclusion.

Not going in with a specialist spinner is very dangerous and has bitten us many a time. Even as far back as in the 90s we played Pak with no spinner, the pitch took some turn and Hansie had to bowl spin.

Mclaren has been in the setup for a while now, if an allrounder is taking the spot it has to be him.

The one I understand the least is moving Amla to opener. Under no circumstances is it a good idea to move the best no 3 batsman out of his position.

 

[Wall]

A lot wrong with what you're saying. Firstly Alviro averaged over 63 against India and was integral in us playing out a draw in the first test against India.

Lots of guys have better records than Stiaan van Zyl I don't think 4 good domestic games justifies inclusion.

Not going in with a specialist spinner is very dangerous and has bitten us many a time. Even as far back as in the 90s we played Pak with no spinner, the pitch took some turn and Hansie had to bowl spin.

Mclaren has been in the setup for a while now, if an allrounder is taking the spot it has to be him.

The one I understand the least is moving Amla to opener. Under no circumstances is it a good idea to move the best no 3 batsman out of his position.

Agree with every word. Amla is the worlds premier number 3 and you want to move him? Madness

 

[stefan9]

Alviro had a decent series against the india but lack of 100's from him is an issue and duminy also has some serious question marks, if he wasn't usefull as the second spinner there would probably be calls for the axe already.

My team for SA conditions:

1.Smith
2.Alviro
3.Amla
4.Faf
5.AB
6.JP
7.McClaren
8.Rob P
9.Philander
10.Steyn
10. Morkel

 

[Devill]

Looking forwards to this. Should be a good series.

As in Jannie and Bismarck?

Well, since the Australians boost a much much beter bowling attack than the Indians, i would rather replace Kallis with another batsman. Regarding Robbie P and Tahir, i would go for an all-out pace attack. Duminy can cover spin and Van Zyl can also bowl medium pace, We have much more dangerous pace bowlers than these mediocre spinners of ours. I still don’t think Faf belongs here, but time will tell.

Faf is still young and although I do not like him, he has put up his hand in some of the tougher situations. That and the fact that ideally you do not want to make to many changes all at once, will keep him there for some time with the departure of Kallis.

We tried that in Brisbane - go with an all pace attack with Duminy bowling spin. Duminy got injured and we were stuffed, we were lucky to get away with a draw there.

I agree. I do however think that Faf and JP should be bowling a bit, even 10 -15 overs between them, should cover for Kallis' missing spells.

Alviro had a decent series against the india but lack of 100's from him is an issue and duminy also has some serious question marks, if he wasn't usefull as the second spinner there would probably be calls for the axe already.

My team for SA conditions:

1.Smith
2.Alviro
3.Amla
4.Faf
5.AB
6.JP
7.McClaren
8.Rob P
9.Philander
10.Steyn
10. Morkel

This will more than likely be the team barring if a keeper needs to replace AB due to his hand not being 100% ready by the first test.

I agree that Alviro is not out of the woods just yet but he has an uncanny knack to come good as soon as the axes are being sharpened.

JP needs a good couple of innings in this test series or else we might be asked to shape up or ship off. His last 10 test innings: 48*, 0, 61, 26*, 57, 0, 7, 2, 5, 28. Avg 29.25

This is simply not good enough for SA's no 5 or 6 batsman.

 

[Noob-Noob]

A lot wrong with what you're saying. Firstly Alviro averaged over 63 against India and was integral in us playing out a draw in the first test against India.

Lots of guys have better records than Stiaan van Zyl I don't think 4 good domestic games justifies inclusion.

Well lets start of by saying, yes he did good against India. But also not forget the Indian bowling attack was nothing to write home about, Same reason Faf did good, please go and look at Faf's and Aviro's stats before the india Tests. That's the thing i never understand, someone will fail 9 out of 10 times, but he gets judged by the 1 time he does good. Lets see how Alviro and Faf do against Australia, a much better bowling attack.

Lots of guys have better records than Stiaan van Zyl I don't think 4 good domestic games justifies inclusion.

Now, you say lots of guys have a better record than Stiaan van Zyl, please provide the names?, will love to know who I'm been missing the last few seasons, and you say 4 good matches, you are talking out of your butt. Go to Cricinfo and check his stats. his last 10 games that's displayed he has been doing fantastic.

Not going in with a specialist spinner is very dangerous and has bitten us many a time. Even as far back as in the 90s we played Pak with no spinner, the pitch took some turn and Hansie had to bowl spin.

SA does not have quality spinners period. Duminy en Elgar can provide spin and its will not be far below that of Peterson. The only time i will include a specialist spinner is in the subcontinant, and that will be Tahir.

Mclaren has been in the setup for a while now, if an allrounder is taking the spot it has to be him.

I have nothing against Mclaren, horses for courses.

The one I understand the least is moving Amla to opener. Under no circumstances is it a good idea to move the best no 3 batsman out of his position

So he can open in ODI's, but it will be a failure to let him open in Tests, which indirectly he does lots of times. But i agree, if we have other openers he can stay at number 3, I'm just saying he will fit into the opening role just as good.

 

[WaxLyrical]

UBottom line is that we need to take 20 Aussie wickets so Kallis has to be replaced by the best bowler we have at the moment.

Putting in an extra batsman is a gamble if we know what they do to debutants.

Spin duties will go to Duminy and Rob P.

I would put Lobsy in as an extra bowling because he provides a left armer option, and he's economical.

1.Smith
2.Alviro
3.Amla
4.Faf
5.AB
6.JP
7.Rob P
8.Philly
9.Steyn
10.Lobsy
11.Morkel

 

[Noob-Noob]

UBottom line is that we need to take 20 Aussie wickets so Kallis has to be replaced by the best bowler we have at the moment.

Putting in an extra batsman is a gamble if we know what they do to debutants.

Spin duties will go to Duminy and Rob P.

I would put Lobsy in as an extra bowling because he provides a left armer option, and he's economical.

1.Smith
2.Alviro
3.Amla
4.Faf
5.AB
6.JP
7.Rob P
8.Philly
9.Steyn
10.Lobsy
11.Morkel

i don't agree at all.
We need a extra batsman against Aus.
And Lopsy at test?, really?, You would select Lopsy ahead op Abbot, Morris, De Lange and Hendricks?, besides the obvious, not to long ago i read Lopsy is the most unfit player in the ODI squad, now you want him to play 5 days...

 

[Wall]

UBottom line is that we need to take 20 Aussie wickets so Kallis has to be replaced by the best bowler we have at the moment.

Putting in an extra batsman is a gamble if we know what they do to debutants.

Spin duties will go to Duminy and Rob P.

I would put Lobsy in as an extra bowling because he provides a left armer option, and he's economical.

1.Smith
2.Alviro
3.Amla
4.Faf
5.AB
6.JP
7.Rob P
8.Philly
9.Steyn
10.Lobsy
11.Morkel

Lopsy? really? the guy hasn't played 4 day cricket in 2 years.

 

[Vercogen]

Why only 3 tests

/facepalm

 

[Noob-Noob]

Faf is still young and although I do not like him, he has put up his hand in some of the tougher situations. That and the fact that ideally you do not want to make to many changes all at once, will keep him there for some time with the departure of Kallis.
.

I'll agree to this, and give Faf the benefit of the doubt. there are worse batsman than Faf, and he has preformed bofore, i also do not like the guy, and i believe we do have better batsman available, i really truly hope he comes through for us, he's fielding is amazing, and if he can consistently preform with the bat, he will most definitely get my vote!!

I agree that Alviro is not out of the woods just yet but he has an uncanny knack to come good as soon as the axes are being sharpened.

JP needs a good couple of innings in this test series or else we might be asked to shape up or ship off. His last 10 test innings: 48*, 0, 61, 26*, 57, 0, 7, 2, 5, 28. Avg 29.25

This is simply not good enough for SA's no 5 or 6 batsman.

Alviro's last 20 innings, he has averaged 33. To me that is just not acceptable, hence my previous statement. i have made peace with JP averaging 30 like you said, i'm not happy with that, but that's why i see him as an all rounder, his batting is slightly better than RobbyP, and his bowling slightly below, but since our spin does not scary anyone in anycase, why not just play Duminy which gives us an option to play another batsman, or bowler (depending on team and pitch)

 

[Garson007]

Alviro
Smith
Faf (Perfect temperament for a #3)
Amla (Long term where he'll end up and our most adjustable batsman)
De Villiers
Elgar
Duminy
Philander
Abbott
Steyn
Morkel

 

[WaxLyrical]

i don't agree at all.
We need a extra batsman against Aus.
And Lopsy at test?, really?, You would select Lopsy ahead op Abbot, Morris, De Lange and Hendricks?, besides the obvious, not to long ago i read Lopsy is the most unfit player in the ODI squad, now you want him to play 5 days...

Lopsy? really? the guy hasn't played 4 day cricket in 2 years.

ok you win.

In terms of batting our domestic scene looks pathetic. Only Stiaan van Zyl has shown consistency 2 years running.

I would go with Abbott as a replacement for Kallis since he had such a great debut against Pakistan. If Taahir comes in for Rob P then we definitely need that extra batsman and please not Elgar. It would take a brave selector to pick Taahir.

 

[Garson007]

McLaren has pretty much been confirmed by Hudson.

 

[Devill]

Alviro
Smith
Faf (Perfect temperament for a #3)
Amla (Long term where he'll end up and our most adjustable batsman)
De Villiers
Elgar
Duminy
Philander
Abbott
Steyn
Morkel

No spinner? Also abbott above de lange? Or is it just because de lange has now come of an injury?

McLaren has pretty much been confirmed by Hudson.

Thought this was the most likely case. Not a bad call imo.

 

[stefan9]

McLaren has pretty much been confirmed by Hudson.

Didn't he mention both McClaren and Parnell in that interview or is there another one??

 

[Devill]

Didn't he mention both McClaren and Parnell in that interview or is there another one??

Yes please post interview

 

[clark]

Man I hope we klap Australia in this series.

 

[Devill]

http://www.supersport.com/cricket/article.aspx?Id=2291774

Cricket South Africa (CSA) today called up allrounders, Ryan McLaren of the Chevrolet Knights and Wayne Parnell of the Chevrolet Warriors, to the Proteas Castle Lager test squad for the three-match Sunfoil test Series against Australia next month.

The national selectors have named a squad of 15 that sees the recall of Parnell and McLaren in the places of Jacques Kallis (retired) and Imran Tahir.

Coincidentally both allrounders made their debut in the same test match against England at the Bidvest Wanderers Stadium in 2010 – a match that the Proteas won by an innings and 74 runs in what amounted to little more than two days of actual playing time.

Parnell went on to play in South Africa’s next two test matches in India and both players have been involved in several of South Africa’s test squads abroad.

“We want to stay constant to the brand of cricket we have played over the last few years that has brought us such success,” commented CSA selection convener Andrew Hudson. “I believe that this squad covers all possible options we may wish to exercise as well as the conditions we are likely to encounter.

 

[Garson007]

Kleinveldt? Really?