South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 2

[gottagoon]

^ I'm on my cellphone. Can't see or read it properly.

 

[daelm]

I'll dare to say it - orgs such as the criminal WHO are causing so much confusion that nobody can work out much at all. Some criminal politicians were actually caught lying, particularly in the US, even about mortality!

Reason - some leftist political ideal to run the world with. (For those not regular on these threads, the WHO admitted that aganda 8 years ago.)

oh dude, everyone is going to lie about this. not because it isn't a pandemic, but just because everyone has been defunding healthcare across the board in the name of market growth, and now they're all ****ed. research has been cut and diverted to cock-pills, primary healthcare has been de-prioritized, governments and agencies have been ignoring specialists, etc. the WHO is the least of the problems, mainly because they've been an increasingly irrelevant front for a long time, like most aid organizations.

 

[daelm]

^ I'm on my cellphone. Can't see or read it properly.

it's in the article i linked. great read.

 

[Brian_G]

the WHO is the least of the problems, mainly because they've been an increasingly irrelevant front for a long time, like most aid organizations.

Yep, some of us are aware there's more to it. Although the bigger pic medical fraud / abuse is a new theory to me.
But the WHO are still most visible, and most influential when it comes to local grabbamint influence (with the IMF & co.'s help of course, and a sprinkling of CDC to boot), over and above reputable scientists here.

 

[daelm]

visible, yes, but that just makes them a useful scapegoat. i've worked in the NGO sector and still sometimes do and i can tell you from my own experience that all those institutions have long since become political pawns for their majority funders. this crisis is the medical version of the 2008 financial crash. predictable, foreseen, and ignored all around.

 

[gottagoon]

I dunno anymore. I really don't. What will be will be.

I'm just hating the way the ANC is handling this.

It's like they using this for Political gain.
ANC wants the WC. So they acting their part. Using Corona as an excuse.
To meddle.

Instead of sorting out their homebase FIRST. The EC. And than try fix...or break the WC.

That's the ANC. ANC wants that elusive mountain.

What a useless bunch they are.
I'm getting angry again. Time to keep quiet.

 

[Sinbad]

The ANC have never ever hidden the fact that it's party first, then country.

 

[Brian_G]

@daelm , the prob with invisible is that they're largely... invisible :-/
So to help others catch up, I only discuss the obvious. And you probably know it's easy to be branded an anti-science fool here.

 

[daelm]

here, linked is the classic example of how it works nowadays:

In Search Of The Red Cross' $500 Million In Haiti Relief

An investigation by NPR and ProPublica finds a string of poorly managed projects, questionable spending and dubious claims of success, according to a review of the charity's internal documents.

www.npr.org

(this one is actually a relatively mild investigative piece. i was in Ghana late last year with an analyst from a NGO research agency and the story they told is horrendous. amongst other things, the Red Cross, after getting half a billion dollars, hired a ****ing cruise ship for their staff - with butlers. this happens because they all sub-contract the actual work to a million parties. in the Haiti case, everyone and their granny piled on to make money off the earthquake while the Red Cross was cruising around the island. the **** that went down there will make your hair stand on end.)

it's systemic. and government and business are as culpable as aid agencies because the pressure to sub-contract came from them until aid agencies essentially became PR fronts. it's all one endless loop of profiteering at all costs, with poor people ending up standing when the music stops.

edit: if you're prepared to dig online, you'll find something about a company that provided emergency shelter tents in Hurricane Katrina, which turned out to be physically toxic. they were stored and then sold into Haiti as part of the relief efforts. if i find the original investigation, i'll add a link.

edit: here's a bit more of the story: https://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/4820...fundamental-concerns-about-red-cross-finances

" The venerated charity raised nearly $500 million after the disaster, more than any other nonprofit, but an ambitious plan to build housing resulted in just six permanent homes, NPR and ProPublica found."

"The American Red Cross spent a quarter of the money people donated after the 2010 Haiti earthquake — or almost $125 million — on its own internal expenses"

thing is, this ended up being a proper investigation eventually, but it only got started because the Clinton Foundation somehow got involved and the investigation was driven by a Republican looking for dirt. there are thousands of these things and most of them are not even raised. to paraphrase Terry Pratchett, whether it's business or government, it's "corruption all the way down".

 

[gottagoon]

here, linked is the classic example of how it works nowadays:

In Search Of The Red Cross' $500 Million In Haiti Relief

An investigation by NPR and ProPublica finds a string of poorly managed projects, questionable spending and dubious claims of success, according to a review of the charity's internal documents.

www.npr.org

(this one is actually a relatively mild investigative piece. i was in Ghana late last year with an analyst from a NGO research agency and the story they told is horrendous. amongst other things, the Red Cross, after getting half a billion dollars, hired a ****ing cruise ship for their staff - with butlers. this happens because they all sub-contract the actual work to a million parties. in the Haiti case, everyone and their granny piled on to make money off the earthquake while the Red Cross was cruising around the island. the **** that went down there will make your hair stand on end.)

it's systemic. and government and business are as culpable as aid agencies because the pressure to sub-contract came from them until aid agencies essentially became PR fronts. it's all one endless loop of profiteering at all costs, with poor people ending up standing when the music stops.

edit: if you're prepared to dig online, you'll find something about a company that provided emergency shelter tents in Hurricane Katrina, which turned out to be physically toxic. they were stored and then sold into Haiti as part of the relief efforts. if i find the original investigation, i'll add a link.

Oh boy. We're in for a real **** show.
Thanks for the article daelm
Shocking.

 

[Brian_G]

Thanks for this.
It goes beyond health though. The whole world has been in deep trouble for years, old ethics which were already abused are now mostly out the window, greed is admired, among all sorts of other cultish negative followings, nature is having a hernia (some of it no doubt natural though, and it will survive us), people are screaming about overpopulation, pollutions, abuse of nature, and so on, and so on.
There are even theories that the Earth will shift its polar axis soon and that's overdue, and a surprising amount of science backing that up.

And then there's the theories that gender confusion is being done intentionally to throw off normal baby making, and weaken the male strength concept.

It's a mess, few know what's even going on, and the now-very-corrupt are riding it. Nero is fiddling...

10 to 15 years ago I would have been called mad for saying things like this, now it's "normal".

 

[daelm]

tl;dr:

expecting the WHO to deliver anything after the entire global structure has been long since been gutted and handed over to administrators and chair-warmers by the same governments who point fingers and abuse it for political ends is like asking Hlaudi to deliver you Netflix.

the system is broken.

 

[daelm]

Thanks for this.
It goes beyond health though. The whole world has been in deep trouble for years, old ethics which were already abused are now mostly out the window, greed is admired, among all sorts of other cultish negative followings, nature is having a hernia (some of it no doubt natural though, and it will survive us), people are screaming about overpopulation, pollutions, abuse of nature, and so on, and so on.
There are even theories that the Earth will shift its polar axis soon and that's overdue, and a surprising amount of science backing that up.

And then there's the theories that gender confusion is being done intentionally to throw off normal baby making, and weaken the male strength concept.

It's a mess, few know what's even going on, and the now-very-corrupt are riding it. Nero is fiddling...

10 to 15 years ago I would have been called mad for saying things like this, now it's "normal".

no, i don't think it's a conspiracy. it would be nice if it was because you could then try and target the conspirators, but it's just a systemic and institutional breakdown that's been going on for years. no-one is in charge, and everyone's just riding it to its collapse, mostly seeing to themselves.

 

[daelm]

I'm getting angry again. Time to keep quiet.

i ****ing know this feeling well.

 

[gottagoon]

^ yip. Seems that way.

 

[Brian_G]

no, i don't think it's a conspiracy. it would be nice if it was because you could then try and target the conspirators, but it's just a systemic and institutional breakdown that's been going on for years. no-one is in charge, and everyone's just riding it to its collapse, mostly seeing to themselves.

Didn't call it a conspiracy either. But a few of those theories are making more sense these days, who knows...

 

[daelm]

Didn't call it a conspiracy either. But a few of those theories are making more sense these days, who knows...

i know, but **** i sometimes wish it was. at least you'd be able to find someone to hold accountable instead of just watching the slow collapse of everything we know.

 

[Brian_G]

^ Except when it comes to the Globalists and their population control agenda, actual agenda not a conspiracy theory though.

 

[dualmeister]

We were shocked when Italy was hitting 2000+ cases a day and now...

 

[daelm]

^ Except when it comes to the Globalists and their population control agenda, actual agenda not a conspiracy theory though.

dude, i honestly wish i could agree, but having worked in this for a long time, there is no-one in this world who could organize a party, let alone an agenda. and there are no globalists - just institutional capital. as i said, it's long since become a profiteering free-for-all.

edit: if you think the Red Cross case is bad, do some digging and look into what was laughably called the "reconstruction of Iraq". predominantly private sector sub-contracting, literally billions of dollars unaccounted for to this day, and the country left in tatters. made the Guptas look like amateurs.

it's institutional and systemic.