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daveza said:
It's the right thing, the spirit of ubuntu... f0k weet actually
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At this stage the only Ubuntu I see is people who cannot wait to snitch on establishments who defy the rules, much the same way they snitched on individuals.

Seems that's the only thing the lockdown achieved: it polarised us against each other. Divide and conquer?
 
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LCBXX said:
At this stage the only Ubuntu I see is people who cannot wait to snitch on establishments who defy the rules, much the same way they snitched on individuals.

Seems that's the only thing the lockdown achieved: it polarised us against each other. Divide and conquer?
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Karens everywhere.
 
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It's not PC, it's the truth. Try keeping distance when you live in densely populated areas with low quality building materials. If you live in a middle-class area in SA, you have it pretty good.
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this is actually true. it's a large part of why this emergency has had the National Joint Operations and Intelligence Structure as both its execution arm and a decision gateway from the start. it's also the reason for the enormous gulf between the soft-pedal presidency briefings ("naaice, naaice, neh? my sweeties, look - this is how you wear a mask") and the jackboot thuggery of actual on-the-ground enforcement. the government has known from the beginning that the regulatory framework they would impose was only manageable by people with the capacity to weather an economic window period, order supplies, operate from within wired, watered, internet-enabled houses, and so on.

working-class people - black or white - without any economic buffer, and the abject poor (the latter about 60% of the country) would simply never be able to wait it out like good little urchins, confining their movement to an aluminium and wood shack that they share with five other people and a paraffin lamp. worse than the utter physical deprivation, the psychological impact of asking people who barely survive at the best of times to just suspend the only lives they had is beyond estimation.

the government is fully aware of this. has been for a long, long time and the slow ramp-up in rhetoric demonising the poor as animals needing a hard stick and a threat has been occurring for years. it's a direct and unequivocal result of their utter failure to deliver on the promises of reconstruction, economic growth, and national upliftment. no-one should be surprised when they see the military and police corralling the poor and treating them like ****. that's been the case for some time: there's one law for the newspapers and another, an entirely different one, for the ever-growing community of people whose lives are defined by ANC failure.

most immediately, what we should all be worried about, is (a) the license that COVID has given them to do this under the guise of moral rectitude and whether they are prepared to roll it back when that guise no longer exists, and (b) what it means that they are increasingly overt about it and don't see the need to pretend that everyone is a citizen anymore. in the longer term, the government's utter and complete inability to resolve these problems, and their growing willingness to default to a catch-and-contain strategy to try and keep it away from the nice places should be a major cause of concern - it's not sustainable and it won't be managed.

edit: on a related - pesonal - note, i ****ing despise just how much glee Bheki Cele takes from being a bastard to weaker people with no recourse. man's a sociopath. always has been.
 
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South Africa’s R200 billion coronavirus loan scheme isn’t working – here’s what happened

South Africa’s R200 billion coronavirus loan scheme isn’t working as it was intended, says financial market research group Intellidex – and if things don’t improve soon, it will create an even bleaker outlook for the economy in 2020.
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However, according Intellidex, only a fraction of the fund – around 1% or R2 billion – has been used to date; and if things don’t improve quickly, the country’s already stunted economic growth could suffer.

In brief, the loan packages were offered long after many vulnerable businesses had already taken measures to meet the crisis – either by retrenching staff, cancelling rental agreements or renegotiating contracts.

When support for companies was delivered, they came with strict conditions attached, dictating where the money could be used, with a short payment holiday of six months, and business owners had to take on this new financial risk with personal surety on the line.

If government audits a defaulted loan and finds this process was not followed, it could refuse to pay the guarantee. This has a the net result of invalidating any drive to increase credit appetite.
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Thank you for your help ANC. Another grand pie in the sky scheme that bites the dust.
 
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LCBXX said:
Karen's demanding respect. Even Riaan's:
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All these things are merely precautions. How good each one works?? Can be debated.

There is already much to be said between the quality of Masks... (FFP mask is better than Surgical mask for Corona but not as good as N95... and Cloth one's are basically just 2 or 3 layers of normal materials, unless it has some filter in there)

I would agree with Woolies, The shield is good as an "extra precaution" as the shield protects if someone sneezes or coughs directly in your face or maybe next to your face. The mask covers the mouth and nose so you don't breath it in. Or that some droplets don't land close to your mouth and you ingest it somehow.

Having Shield and Mask is obviously much better.

But as Woolies stated. Rules state Mask must be worn (not Shield must be worn)

Having only Shield, you still breathing in fresh air through the mouth and nose, which you can suck straight into the lungs. The shield also don't stop air or droplets coming in from the sides. Most malls have aircons blowing and creating air currents in the air. They will enter from the sides of the shield.
 
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Napalm said:
Having only Shield, you still breathing in fresh air through the mouth and nose, which you can suck straight into the lungs. The shield also don't stop air or droplets coming in from the sides. Most malls have aircons blowing and creating air currents in the air. They will enter from the sides of the shield.
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Interesting
 
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