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NarrowBandFtw

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Tried to argue with some of the anti-maskers on there, but it seems to be a pointless persuit.
do you also use falsehoods to make the argument though?

that idiot woman in the video keeps repeating "it is the law", well, it is NOT the law, simple as that

the shop however should just have gone with "right of admission reserved", they're under no obligation to let him inside, just as he is under no obligation to wear a mask ... they choose what measures they want to enforce for entry, he chooses whether he will comply or go somewhere else, simple
 

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Yeah they can work from home and limit their exposure, instead of the entire country. It's not like quarantining the government will make a difference anyway.
so I haven't had my morning coffee, but I read that as guillotining the government ... which absolutely will make a huge, positive, difference imo :cool:
 

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So just got back from a jog and crossed path with a jogging group of 8. All look middle aged and all had their masks around their necks while blowing breaths in two clumps of 4. Oh well. Let Darwin sort them out I guess, must be the thinking.
 

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so I haven't had my morning coffee, but I read that as guillotining the government ... which absolutely will make a huge, positive, difference imo :cool:
Bastille Day is just around the corner, just saying ...

And BTW: Today (4th July) in 1776 was Brexit Day ;)
 

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do you also use falsehoods to make the argument though?

that idiot woman in the video keeps repeating "it is the law", well, it is NOT the law, simple as that

the shop however should just have gone with "right of admission reserved", they're under no obligation to let him inside, just as he is under no obligation to wear a mask ... they choose what measures they want to enforce for entry, he chooses whether he will comply or go somewhere else, simple
It is the law, simple as that.
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Yet I find it funny during the hard lockdown it wasn't the law it was suggested.
 

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This was cleared up earlier in the thread, by myself. It is law, under the state of disaster regulations, to wear a mask in public. However, it is not a criminal offence to not wear a mask in public and you cannot be charged for not wearing a mask. You can, however, come across as a d*ck for not wearing a mask in public.

Pierre De Vos supplied this to substantiate the above:
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Similar wording was in the level 4 regulations, level 3 regulations, and again in the level 3 "advanced" regulations. He seems adamant that it's not a legal requirement to wear a mask in public though.
I think he is relying on this .

" The further, and for the majority the most important, wearing of masks is obligatory (Regulations 5 and 33) but not something which could lead to your arrest and criminal prosecution (ito Regulations 14 and 48) anymore. LFN is advocating anyone who so wishes, may now legally remove their masks and may not be arrested or criminally prosecuted for doing it. "


Still waiting for some one with legal expertise to interpret the judgement .
 

NarrowBandFtw

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Which court case determined that?
It is the law, simple as that.
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laid out nicely in the post below yours (couple of posts above this one):

court case was never needed, it is not a criminal offence and cannot be prosecuted i.e. it is not the law
a "law" that can be broken without any legal consequence whatsoever is not a law
 

Sinbad

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laid out nicely in the post below yours (couple of posts above this one):

court case was never needed, it is not a criminal offence and cannot be prosecuted i.e. it is not the law
a "law" that can be broken without any legal consequence whatsoever is not a law
So speed limits are not the law then? There's no legal consequence under AARTO for driving at 149 in a 120 zone. Just an administrative fine.
 

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I think he is relying on this .

" The further, and for the majority the most important, wearing of masks is obligatory (Regulations 5 and 33) but not something which could lead to your arrest and criminal prosecution (ito Regulations 14 and 48) anymore. LFN is advocating anyone who so wishes, may now legally remove their masks and may not be arrested or criminally prosecuted for doing it. "


Still waiting for some one with legal expertise to interpret the judgement .
A law without consequences is still a law, right?
 

NarrowBandFtw

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So speed limits are not the law then? There's no legal consequence under AARTO for driving at 149 in a 120 zone. Just an administrative fine.
a fine is a legal consequence, for not wearing a mask there are none at all whatsoever
 

NarrowBandFtw

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A law without consequences is still a law, right?
not really, like a 50% discount sale being advertised yet there's no discount when you arrive at the store ... still a sale?

a number of dictionaries use that pesky word "enforce" as part of the definition of the word "law", without enforcement there is no law:
the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision
e.g. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/law
 

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Wow, he seems very angry. He should also be angry at covid-19.
 
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