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Paulsie

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We've hit 5 digits!
We've also hit 40s in testing. Had we been able to process 5x as many tests as we do now, we would be up there with Brazil when it comes to new daily cases.

I personally know a few families locally (Pmb), who have it. All members of these families. It's everywhere and it's severely under counted.
 

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R660+vat per household visit and the fact that a handwritten invoice was acceptable smells a lot like dodgy smoke. If you're in business, you'll know that no private company would accept that handwritten invoice for such a large amount.
Was going to say the exact same thing..shocking.
 

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Yeah, @Geoff.D has been banging the drum about the poor quality data from Gauteng. It seems his concerns have been justified. Also Gauteng doesn't seem to update deaths every day either (the last two days there have been no deaths which is not believable. I think because Gauteng doesn't update deaths every day but that makes it more difficult to discern trends).
Neither does the WC update deaths daily, there was a statement by Alan Winde that the death stats can be two days behind.
 

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We've also hit 40s in testing. Had we been able to process 5x as many tests as we do now, we would be up there with Brazil when it comes to new daily cases.

I personally know a few families locally (Pmb), who have it. All members of these families. It's everywhere and it's severely under counted.
If they were doing this testing during the hard lockdown as well. I mean back then it was 3000 to maybe 7000 tests a day.
 

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If they were doing this testing during the hard lockdown as well. I mean back then it was 3000 to maybe 7000 tests a day.
If they were doing this testing (targeted) during the hard lockdown, we might have actually turned it into something useful.
 

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Also know from general experience that hand-written invoices are a sign of either a small business, one man show or a startup.

Nothing wrong with hand written invoices per se, but there is no business out there that regularly issues invoices (especially in excess of 2mil), that is not systemized via accounting software.

Edit: apologies, already mentioned by @FlashSA
Maybe they're like daily diaries as used in industry for construction work. The supervisor or site manager would normally compile them for sign off by a client rep. It's usually a sign off saying yes the contract has this many people on site this day and they worked the hours claimed. The final invoice isn't handwritten however, they just consolidate the dailies into a proper invoice.

My gut feel on this is that the rates are excessive. Professionals with years of experience in the field charge from about that amount. This is tenders so odds on no one checked that the work was done as indicated or that the rates are reasonable for skill or experience level.
 

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Eish, just reading today's Sunday Times and the Gauteng Health MEC wants a hard lockdown where "nobody goes to work and no-one moves" however it is said the province might struggle to convince the National Command Council.

It will be up for a period of two weeks and then the economy is "switched on" again.
 

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Eish, just reading today's Sunday Times and the Gauteng Health MEC wants a hard lockdown where "nobody goes to work and no-one moves" however it is said the province might struggle to convince the National Command Council.

It will be up for a period of two weeks and then the economy is "switched on" again.
You mean like a physical paper?
 

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Eish, just reading today's Sunday Times and the Gauteng Health MEC wants a hard lockdown where "nobody goes to work and no-one moves" however it is said the province might struggle to convince the National Command Council.

It will be up for a period of two weeks and then the economy is "switched on" again.
That could work but not sure how they'd enforce it. The CC won't allow it partly because it'll be political suicide
 

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Eish, just reading today's Sunday Times and the Gauteng Health MEC wants a hard lockdown where "nobody goes to work and no-one moves" however it is said the province might struggle to convince the National Command Council.

It will be up for a period of two weeks and then the economy is "switched on" again.
Odd because even at level 5 some people were still allowed to work, so is this guy coming up with something new?
 

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According to the provincial command council:
  • Additional beds are being created in public hospitals in the province.
  • A total of 1 575 beds, which will include 900 intensive care unit beds, are expected to be ready by the end of July.
  • As of 1 July, a total of 3 091 people who tested positive were admitted to hospitals in Gauteng.
  • 151 patients were being ventilated as of 1 July, and 493 were on oxygen in either ICU or high care units.
  • A total of 2 447 patients were in general wards, of which 1 197 were on oxygen.
  • As of 1 July, a total of 4 455 patients have been admitted to hospital for Covid-19, while 1 133 patients have since been discharged.
 

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Eish, just reading today's Sunday Times and the Gauteng Health MEC wants a hard lockdown where "nobody goes to work and no-one moves" however it is said the province might struggle to convince the National Command Council.

It will be up for a period of two weeks and then the economy is "switched on" again.
That's not how it works sigh. How does anyone think that's how it works... You can't just turn off the economy for 2 weeks and then back on.
Even when the health minister says there needs to be a balance
 

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According to the provincial command council:
  • Additional beds are being created in public hospitals in the province.
  • A total of 1 575 beds, which will include 900 intensive care unit beds, are expected to be ready by the end of July.
  • As of 1 July, a total of 3 091 people who tested positive were admitted to hospitals in Gauteng.
  • 151 patients were being ventilated as of 1 July, and 493 were on oxygen in either ICU or high care units.
  • A total of 2 447 patients were in general wards, of which 1 197 were on oxygen.
  • As of 1 July, a total of 4 455 patients have been admitted to hospital for Covid-19, while 1 133 patients have since been discharged.
So why weren't they ready before hand??? I mean we had a 5 week hard lockdown to build this up. Oh wait did you accidentally lockdown things needed to get it ready???
 

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Neither does the WC update deaths daily, there was a statement by Alan Winde that the death stats can be two days behind.
The difference is that WC knows what the reporting issues and delays are. GP has no clue what the issues and delay are. Weeks go past before data is properly reported. 9 - 10 days before test results filter through the system.

Could easily account for the weird "spike" shown which our illustrious MEC then calls a storm, when all it could have been just a backlog. Alternatively, we know very few in govt service work on a Friday, can't work on a Monday because they are recovering from the weekend, see only see reasonable data coming through for 3 out of every 7 days.
 
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The difference is that WC knows what the reporting issues and delays are. GP has no clue what the issues and delay are. Weeks go past before data is properly reported. 9 - 10 days before test results filter through the system.

Could easily account for the weird "spike" shown which our illustrious MEC then calls a storm, when all it could have been just a backlog. Alternatively, we know very few in govt service work on a Friday, can't work on a Monday because they are recovering from the weekend, see only see reasonable data coming through for 3 out of every 7 days.
Fact is we are at 4 tests per positive (down from 51 the first week of lockdown), contact tracing has gone out the window and instead they are "saving" tests for the sick people.

The numbers we are seeing are only a fraction of the actual number of new cases.
 

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Eish, just reading today's Sunday Times and the Gauteng Health MEC wants a hard lockdown where "nobody goes to work and no-one moves" however it is said the province might struggle to convince the National Command Council.

It will be up for a period of two weeks and then the economy is "switched on" again.

So everyone starves to death ?
 

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So everyone starves to death ?
That's why it is not going to happen. You shut down Gauteng, you may as well close the whole country. They might close schools again and limit alcohol sales, but shutting down the economy is a no go. Even the anc know that.
 

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So why weren't they ready before hand??? I mean we had a 5 week hard lockdown to build this up. Oh wait did you accidentally lockdown things needed to get it ready???
If the country waits around for pharmaceutical interventions, like a vaccine, it risks making the same mistakes that were made around HIV, which included focusing too little on prevention and too much on treatment.

"Our system will collapse completely. The infections that we are seeing now are the end of Level 4, at just the start of opening up Level 3 – so we are not even seeing the full impact of Level 3 yet. And your average person isn't understanding the timeline – that there's a lag before we see the implications of what we are doing."
From the same article. If hospitals are buckling under pressure now, we might have something else coming.
 
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