South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 2

[nivek]

But the grave digging is going on schedule

well that makes sense, because if you cant provide basic oxygen the next stop is a grave anyway

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

South Africa has kept its Covid-19 death toll low. Here's how - CNN Video

Coronavirus cases in South Africa are at a peak, with cases climbing in Cape Town and Johannesburg. But there is a silver lining in the surge as doctors have managed to keep mortality rates lower than predicted. CNN's David McKenzie reports from an emergency operations headquarters.

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well done CPT!

Let's see how Gauteng handles the next few weeks, been hearing things are falling apart, even in some private hospitals

Nice video - also exposes the rubbish initial modelling the government relied on with regards to deaths.

 

[nivek]

Nice video - also exposes the rubbish initial modelling the government relied on with regards to deaths.

I think it also demonstrates how well CPT has handled the crisis
Expect the death rate to start climbing over the next few weeks as Gauteng chases its tail

 

[MiW]

Obesity comes as worse x4.1 chances to die than the normal rate

 

[pinball wizard]

Gauteng the new epicentre if not mistaken. Western Cape still in for a rough ride though.

Based on a whole number? Surely it should be based on a number of cases/population? That would make EC or WC by far more cases/population than GP.

 

[sand_man]

Based on a whole number? Surely it should be based on a number of cases/population? That would make EC or WC by far more cases/population than GP.

Agreed.

 

[Lupus]

Based on a whole number? Surely it should be based on a number of cases/population? That would make EC or WC by far more cases/population than GP.

Yup people still focusing on totals, though active cases currently would be a good guage, you're correct in taking into account the per population figure.

 

[IceyQ]

On a lighter more positive note, South African's doing what we do best, adapt, improvise, overcome.

UJ develops a 3D printed ventilator amid the Covid-19 pandemic | News24

Engineers from the University of Johannesburg have developed a 3D printed ventilator able to support multiple patients.

www.news24.com

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Based on a whole number? Surely it should be based on a number of cases/population? That would make EC or WC by far more cases/population than GP.

Gauteng will eventually get to similar cases per population as the WC. But as @sand_man pointed out, it's actually the active cases that are probably more important than total cases and GP is well ahead there.

 

[pinball wizard]

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Gauteng will eventually get to similar cases per population as the WC. But as @sand_man pointed out, it's actually the active cases that is probably more important than total cases and GP is well ahead there.

Bullspit. The only number that matters is the hospitalised/hospital beds. Testing is meaningless. Treat symptomatically.

(as to your quoted story, I don't read garbage that says things like " the wuhan of whatever" and "bush medicine". Daily Maverick scraping the bottom of the journalistic barrel as well I see.)

 

[Geoff.D]

So in hindsight, trying to establish what GPs strategy was.
1. Believe in everything the WHO said and says.
2. Rush off and build a field hospital without equipping it for oxygen distribution.
3. Dig lots of graves.
4. Take thousands of swabs for testing but delay processing to determine if there are lots of infections.

 

[pinball wizard]

So in hindsight, trying to establish what GPs strategy was.

It was the same as the rest of SA's. Which was accomplished with varying completeness depending on the province.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Bullspit. The only number that matters is the hospitalised/hospital beds. Testing is meaningless. Treat symptomatically.

(as to your quoted story, I don't read garbage that says things like " the wuhan of whatever" and "bush medicine". Daily Maverick scraping the bottom of the journalistic barrel as well I see.)

Ok, but Gauteng has the most people on hospital beds, in ICU and on ventilation. But yes, they also have the greatest capacity of all provinces but all reports suggest many hospitals are already overloaded.

 

[pinball wizard]

So in hindsight, trying to establish what GPs strategy was.
1. Believe in everything the WHO said and says.
2. Rush off and build a field hospital without equipping it for oxygen distribution.
3. Dig lots of graves.
4. Take thousands of swabs for testing but delay processing to determine if there are lots of infections.

Point by point if you will.

1. There was a national strategy. Don't be that guy who pretends (or worse - believes) that the WC magically didn't follow the NCC at th outset.
2. At least an attempt was made. The EC has no field hospitals bar that one VW made. Does the field hospital at the ICC in CT have all the bells and whistles? Like I said, varying degrees of completeness reached during the fattening of the herb.
3. Graves? I asked on that graves thread for proof/address of where this grave site is being dug. I'm still waiting. I call BS on this, as the deaths are still minimal - especially compared to the WC - in GP.
4. Stop with the lies. There is a massive population differential between GP and every other province in SA. Any laboratory system will struggle to get results out timeously with a massive influx of tets. Unlike the WC, Gauteng conducts tests (currently, I know it might change) across the board, not isolated age groups. There isn't some grand conspiracy to fake GP's numbers. The dead don't lie.

 

[pinball wizard]

Ok, but Gauteng has the most people in hospital beds, in ICU and on ventilation.

Our curve (rate of infections) is on the rise, the WC's is stable. It's basic maths. When WC was increasing massively, the same was seen. Also, we have many more Karens who will demand a bed in a hospital even when their doctor says they can treat at home.

 

[Unhappy438]

(as to your quoted story, I don't read garbage that says things like " the wuhan of whatever" and "bush medicine". Daily Maverick scraping the bottom of the journalistic barrel as well I see.)

Calm down, its a quoted term from a note written by a doctor.

 

[pinball wizard]

Calm down, its a quoted term from a note written by a doctor.

I've been on a covid break. Everything fuels my indignation at the crackdown and the lies at the moment.

 

[tetrasect]

Based on a whole number? Surely it should be based on a number of cases/population? That would make EC or WC by far more cases/population than GP.

If you dropped 10 infected people in an area with 1 million population and another 10 people in an area with 100 million population, the numbers in each area would go up at the same rate. So after a while it would be 2000 cases per 1 million in one area and 2000 cases per 100 million in the other area. That says nothing about how each area is handling the crisis.

Per population data only makes sense after the virus has been eliminated (not gonna happen) or we reach herd immunity. Then we can count the deaths/population to see how well we did.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

PANDA charts: More explosive evidence SA's 'laser focus' on Covid-19 is destructive - BizNews.com

Charts underscore the PANDA view that a laser focus on Covid-19 ignores destruction of the economy, particularly in the light of death statistics.

www.biznews.com

 

[MiW]