South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 2

[LCBXX]

No, we've had more than 10k excess deaths over the norm over June....

What's the norm?

 

[pinball wizard]

Besides, since deaths related to alcohol are lower, according to Government's anecdotal numbers, there should be a surplus or refrigeration capacity, no?

What? Like stick the cadavers in the bottle store fridges?

Those ****ers that break in to Tops are gonna **** their pants.

 

[Sinbad]

What's the norm?

Excess deaths rise to 11,000 in research council's latest grim Covid-19 update

Excess deaths during the Covid-19 pandemic have reached 10,994 according to the latest weekly estimate from the Medical Research Council

www.timeslive.co.za

The norm appears to be around 10k per week.
We're well over 12k per week as of mid July.

 

[LCBXX]

Excess deaths rise to 11,000 in research council's latest grim Covid-19 update

Excess deaths during the Covid-19 pandemic have reached 10,994 according to the latest weekly estimate from the Medical Research Council

www.timeslive.co.za

The norm appears to be around 10k per week.
We're well over 12k per week as of mid July.

Still not sure why funeral services would be complaining over a 17% increase in the amount of corpses? Is Christmas in July!

 

[MiW]

Many Vaccine companies are saying vaccines are looking good and its promising for year-end.

WHO is saying we must stop being optimistic and this is only going to get worse and carry on for a LONG LONG time. ( I think the exact words are people should not assume 2021 will be any better or something like that)

Who do you believe?

I believe history (unless it was altered politically) . All pandemics (Flu related) on earth subside in less than 2 years, and that's pre- or post vaccinations.
Believe me

 

[Geoff.D]

Fixed the above for you; the reference is:

Influenza pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the above reference, the annual flu results in deaths between 290,000–650,000/year.

The current deaths on record worldwide is standing at 614,011.

Not even reached the annual flu value yet. Still think the reaction was justified??

 

[tetrasect]

Still not sure why funeral services would be complaining over a 17% increase in the amount of corpses? Is Christmas in July!

It's concentrated in a few areas, not every funeral home in SA is overwhelmed.

 

[Pegasus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285310114497536008

 

[Sinbad]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285310114497536008

Seems accurate to me

 

[Lupus]

Seems accurate to me

Well we're almost at 400k

 

[Polymathic]

We have had 5200-odd additional COVID-19 deaths in a population of 57m over the past 4 months. That number, on its own, relates to 0.009% additional refrigeration capacity needed, not 50%.

Besides, since deaths related to alcohol are lower, according to Government's anecdotal numbers, there should be a surplus or refrigeration capacity, no?

Depends on the area. I'd imagine it wouldn't take more a couple hundred additional deaths over to fill up mortuaries beyond capacity

 

[MiW]

Fixed the above for you; the reference is:

Influenza pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the above reference, the annual flu results in deaths between 290,000–650,000/year.

The current deaths on record worldwide is standing at 614,011.

Not even reached the annual flu value yet. Still think the reaction was justified??

Think Russia and few other countries. It passed the flu rates for less than 4 months.

 

[krycor]

Fixed the above for you; the reference is:

Influenza pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the above reference, the annual flu results in deaths between 290,000–650,000/year.

The current deaths on record worldwide is standing at 614,011.

Not even reached the annual flu value yet. Still think the reaction was justified??

A bit of a disingenuous argument you have there.. annual flu which no counter measures are taken except for flu vaccine for some(if u lucky vs outbreak timing and vaccine development) numbers vs a virus wherein public awareness is high and large portions of population actively take counter measures numbers.

Yes.. that's a very justified apples vs apples evaluation?

And we haven't even discussed how deaths are recorded etc

 

[Geoff.D]

Well, so far the ONLY truly representative data is that recorded by the Dept of Home Affairs and reported on by the SAMRC. Even if deaths are registered late ultimately they have to be registered. So unless there is a huge warehouse somewhere full of bodies those figures are pretty up to date.
The major categories are only Natural and Unnatural. You can't really mess that up too much.
When it comes to interpreting the "natural" deaths, there is potential ( not much) of getting the figures for Covid wrong. Hence the "excess deaths" debate. It is pretty sure that the "official" covid deaths are mostly those logged in hospital and care facilities and one assumes those would be fairly accurate?
It is the rest that might not be so, hence the differences as estimated by the SAMRC and all the noise about their methods of doing so. Even with their "excess" estimates, the figures for SA are not all that alarming at this stage. Certainly within previous so-called epidemics.

 

[The_Mowgs]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1285520988529209344

Disclaimer: I have not corroborated this with any other news outlets. However if this is true it certainly throws reported numbers into question.

It has been like this for more than a month. The death certificates are not being issued fast enough by Home Affairs

 

[Geoff.D]

Anyone a reference to death registration delays to try and quantify the issue anywhere?

 

[tetrasect]

Fixed the above for you; the reference is:

Influenza pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From the above reference, the annual flu results in deaths between 290,000–650,000/year.

The current deaths on record worldwide is standing at 614,011.

Not even reached the annual flu value yet. Still think the reaction was justified??

And what are the flu deaths now, with lockdowns in effect?

 

[Geoff.D]

A bit of a disingenuous argument you have there.. annual flu which no counter measures are taken except for flu vaccine for some(if u lucky vs outbreak timing and vaccine development) numbers vs a virus wherein public awareness is high and large portions of population actively take counter measures numbers.

Yes.. that's a very justified apples vs apples evaluation?

And we haven't even discussed how deaths are recorded etc

Not an argument, just an observation ----

 

[VooDooC]

Our own NCCCCCCC?

They follow WHO regulations don't they? So no, not them either.

 

[LCBXX]

It's concentrated in a few areas, not every funeral home in SA is overwhelmed.

Oh. eNCA made it sound like it's a countrywide crisis...