South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 2

[pinball wizard]

I take it you don't have family then.

And to educate you, you can't infect someone with cancer, stroke or heart attack.

What?

And when did I say you could?

Your argument makes no sense.

 

[IceyQ]

Oh yes, and say it to the dead person who helped me at work two days before the lock down began. I'm sure he might disagree.

Take a breath. I am sorry you know someone who passed away, that is never an easy situation and I understand that this hits closer to home than those of us, who haven't experienced this. Nobody here is taking the piss about anyone's death. But you can't come in hot and expect a constructive discussion, by projecting your own emotions in a hostile way.

Pinball Wiz, like the majority of us, are just frustrated with the inconsistencies from our "leadership". Whether it's a pandemic or epidemic, major or minor, the people are gatvol of being treated like **** and lied to.

PS Leonard Cohen is not a conspiracy theorist... a term coined by the CIA anyway. That's just a strawman argument. You came in here to fight, not discuss

 

[pinball wizard]

Sorry, I'm not into ridiculous conspiracy theories. Artistic or not.

Oh, right, so it's ridiculous that people raided the covid emergency funds for personal gain? The media is replete with evidence of anc cadres enriching themselves via theft of resources in feeding schemes, provision of ppe to schools, corruption of the emergency uif scheme, etc.

It's not a conspiracy theory when the factual evidence is there.

 

[Lupus]

Oh yes.

I've said it numerous times here.

For a teeny tiny minority of the world's population this disease will have personal and devastating consequences. Just like cancer or a stroke or a heart attack.
For the rest of us, it's a nothing.

Or the flu, car accident, shark attack, meteor strike and and and. Yes death is sad, but why is this one more special than others?

 

[pinball wizard]

Or the flu, car accident, shark attack, meteor strike and and and. Yes death is sad, but why is this one more special than others?

And this one is very preventable to boot.

 

[Lupus]

And this one is very preventable to boot.

It is and it's not as contagious as everyone thought nor as deadly. Yes it's tragic when it hits home that someone you know dies from it. Though honestly how would they know? The death cert doesn't list it.

 

[Temujin]

 

[pouroverguy]

I take it you don't have family then.

And to educate you, you can't infect someone with cancer, stroke or heart attack.

Agreed. Strokes and heart attacks don't cause possibly the best public hospital in SA to be taken to the point where Ophthalmologists and general surgeons end up working with normal medical patients, as there aren't enough of the doctors who'd normally work with those sort of patients. At one point Groote Schuur had more than double the normal amount of patients on the medical floors - thanks to one virus. Flu, TB etc simply does not cause that sort of thing. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? The virus only causes serious illness in a minority of patients, but it's so infectious/contagious that it will still result in a massive number of patients needing medical care.

 

[tetrasect]

What is important is that the deaths have to be logged correctly, which implies that delayed reports are worked back into the previous data all the time.
It just highlights how stupid it is to jump to conclusions based on the daily figures quoted. One has to wait for the dust to settle and then look at the figures again. Hence why and where the logic behind using a moving average.

True, but if the figures are increasing daily (which they have, for the most part) there is no other possible conclusion to come to, no matter how long you wait.

It is and it's not as contagious as everyone thought nor as deadly. Yes it's tragic when it hits home that someone you know dies from it. Though honestly how would they know? The death cert doesn't list it.

LOLwut? Seriously? Yeah it's about 30% as deadly as first thought but it sure as hell is as contagious!

How much more contagious can it be? People are getting infected left right and center despite staying home all day and then, when they go grocery shopping, using sanitizer, social distancing and wearing masks!
WTF do you think would happen if everyone ignored all of that?

Not as contagious...

 

[Geoff.D]

The Coronavisus clearly belongs to a very powerful Union in SA.

The virus only works Mondays to Fridays, very few die on weekends and the virus only works in some Provinces.

 

[Lupus]

True, but if the figures are increasing daily (which they have, for the most part) there is no other possible conclusion to come to, no matter how long you wait.



LOLwut? Seriously? Yeah it's about 30% as deadly as first thought but it sure as hell is as contagious!

How much more contagious can it be? People are getting infected left right and center despite staying home all day and then, when they go grocery shopping, using sanitizer, social distancing and wearing masks!
WTF do you think would happen if everyone ignored all of that?

Not as contagious...

It is not as contagious as everyone thinks, if it was the "total" numbers are than so way out of whack by a factor of 30. Where are people getting infected left right and center? Are you listening to the evil government numbers again? The ones that aren't anywhere near accurate? If you did take a look at the active cases it's down to 40% which means recoveries are far exceeding "infections"
Honestly, if people ignored this all, it probably would've been a note in the history books of, hmm did you guys notice flu deaths in 2019/2020 was a bit higher than usual hmm odd that. But no the media has made people like you so scared you are seeing the virus everywhere you look.

 

[LCBXX]

LOLwut? Seriously? Yeah it's about 30% as deadly as first thought but it sure as hell is as contagious!

How much more contagious can it be? People are getting infected left right and center despite staying home all day and then, when they go grocery shopping, using sanitizer, social distancing and wearing masks!
WTF do you think would happen if everyone ignored all of that?

Not as contagious...

Infections will grow and <2% of the infected will die. Quit glorifying the problem.

 

[tetrasect]

It is not as contagious as everyone thinks, if it was the "total" numbers are than so way out of whack by a factor of 30. Where are people getting infected left right and center? Are you listening to the evil government numbers again? The ones that aren't anywhere near accurate? If you did take a look at the active cases it's down to 40% which means recoveries are far exceeding "infections"
Honestly, if people ignored this all, it probably would've been a note in the history books of, hmm did you guys notice flu deaths in 2019/2020 was a bit higher than usual hmm odd that. But no the media has made people like you so scared you are seeing the virus everywhere you look.

It seems to me you don't know what contagious means. Recoveries have nothing to do with it, you first need to be infected to recover.

This thing is contagious as fukk. If we had carried on like before without taking any precautions and without any kind of lockdown or behavioural changes, the whole of SA would have been infected by mid-April:

 

[tetrasect]

Infections will grow and <2% of the infected will die. Quit glorifying the problem.

I just said it's only 30% as deadly as first thought, which is around 0.7%. How am I glorifying the problem?

 

[ToxicBunny]

It seems to me you don't know what contagious means. Recoveries have nothing to do with it, you first need to be infected to recover.

This thing is contagious as fukk. If we had carried on like before without taking any precautions and without any kind of lockdown or behavioural changes, the whole of SA would have been infected by mid-April:

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No we wouldn't have been at all... That is just fearmongering in the extreme. If we had carried on as normal we may have had numbers similar to sweden in the way the virus progressed in the population.

The virus is more contagious than flu, but less than measles.

 

[Lupus]

It seems to me you don't know what contagious means. Recoveries have nothing to do with it, you first need to be infected to recover.

This thing is contagious as fukk. If we had carried on like before without taking any precautions and without any kind of lockdown or behavioural changes, the whole of SA would have been infected by mid-April:

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So looking at this, not anymore contagious as a common cold or the "flu"? So not as contagious as people said? Taking into account most people don't even know they have a cold and 80% of the people who get covid probably don't either. So if we take into account most people who get it, don't even know they have had it, then it's not as deadly either. You're buying into the whole media bias.
Keep yourself safe as much as possible and those around you, but stop thinking this is the end of the world, currently it is only so because of what the governments have done.

 

[Lupus]

No we wouldn't have been at all... That is just fearmongering in the extreme. If we had carried on as normal we may have had numbers similar to sweden in the way the virus progressed in the population.

The virus is more contagious than flu, but less than measles.

May be as contagious as the common cold, as that does infect quite a lot of people, oh look one of the viruses we associate with the common cold are coronaviruses.
But if the world had ignored this, it would've been a blip, an odd anomoly where people would've gone hey flu deaths or something similar were up a bit in 2020 amongst the elderly.

 

[LCBXX]

I just said it's only 30% as deadly as first thought, which is around 0.7%. How am I glorifying the problem?

You keep making it bigger than it is. In your defence, that's a general problem around COVID-19.

 

[Crabby]

the whole of SA would have been infected by mid-April:

Exactly what we should have done, then lockdown would be done, and everyone could carry on zolling & drinking, but more importantly, putting food on the table and the kids getting an education.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Exactly what we should have done, then lockdown would be done, and everyone could carry on zolling & drinking, but more importantly, putting food on the table and the kids getting an education.

NO!

You are not allowed to zol and drink ever again... the Don and Herr Doekiness have decreed it.