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PANDA: More evidence lockdown is complete failure in fighting Covid-19 - the SA picture - BizNews.com

PANDA says that if you can’t tell, by looking at an epidemic curve, whether or when a country locked down or released, lockdown had no effect.
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The whole country, not just the Western Cape, needs to do what it should have done in the first place, and what PANDA has from the start pointed out would be an appropriate reaction to Covid-19. The old and infirm should limit contact if they choose to, and the rest of us should get on with life.
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There's no cure-all for disease, science here is often a wanna-be.

The old and infirm should limit contact if they choose to, and the rest of us should get on with life.
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I guess people will think about it, for 2 weeks. Just in case.
 
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Arzy said:
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PANDA: More evidence lockdown is complete failure in fighting Covid-19 - the SA picture - BizNews.com

PANDA says that if you can’t tell, by looking at an epidemic curve, whether or when a country locked down or released, lockdown had no effect.
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The old and infirm should limit contact if they choose to, and the rest of us should get on with life.
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This has always been the key to handling this epidemic.

Implement travel restrictions from and to areas where the virus is/was running rampant.
Protect by quarantining the infirm and vulnerable (not if they choose to, that is pushing things too far),
and let the healthy carry on with life and assist with building up immunity in the population.

This business of attempting to shut down life for all is one of the craziest ideas ever.


Another thought. Does anyone think of the negative effects that starvation is going to have on normal people because of the poor diet they are now subjected as a result of the economic downturn? That impacts on the ability to fight off disease and possibly aggravates and make them more vulnerable to the coronavirus? There are literally dozens of things that the economic downturn is going to aggravate for many many years as a result of this brain-dead LD strategy.
 
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Geoff.D said:
Protect by quarantining the infirm and vulnerable (not if they choose to, that is pushing things too far),
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This ^

I believe the thinking is that they're only endangering themselves given there being enough risk, everyone is still going to be spreading something this contagious.

Perhaps those too far gone mentally need that degree of protection though, such as Alzheimer's disease patients?
 
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Geoff.D said:
Why?

Just to make the statisticians and doomsayer modellers happy?
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So you'd rather stop testing and play pretend that it's all over so that you can tell the "doomsayers" they were wrong?
The reason we keep testing is to get a reasonably accurate picture of the spread of the virus.
Releasing numbers based on reduced testing is completely pointless. Might as well stop testing altogether then.
And using these artificially low numbers to claim that we are "winning the fight" or have "passed the peak" is complete BS.
This is just another ANC failure that they will try to paint as a victory.
 
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Well testing will never stop because the medical profession will always need to test to determine what treatment a patient needs. Testing within an identified "hotspot" makes sense as well.

But mass testing is a luxury that can be done if there are no limits on resources, otherwise, it is pretty pointless.

We know more are going to get the virus. So based on that, the only people that will be "satisfied" with mass testing are the data fanatics.

There are other indicators that will show a decline in the spread without mass testing.

Late last week a simple antibody test was approved for use in SA. That might be the answer to the mass testing desires of those that want to know the big picture.
 
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Geoff.D said:
Well testing will never stop because the medical profession will always need to test to determine what treatment a patient needs. Testing within an identified "hotspot" makes sense as well.

But mass testing is a luxury that can be done if there are no limits on resources, otherwise, it is pretty pointless.

We know more are going to get the virus. So based on that, the only people that will be "satisfied" with mass testing are the data fanatics.

There are other indicators that will show a decline in the spread without mass testing.

Late last week a simple antibody test was approved for use in SA. That might be the answer to the mass testing desires of those that want to know the big picture.
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Then they must stop pretending to be doing mass testing and only test hospital admissions or whatever. I already know the projected amount of daily cases, what makes me mad is that they test way less than that and then pat themselves on the back for a job well done. Next thing they will use those numbers to bolster their retarded decision to re-instate the Alcohol ban.
 
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Then they must stop pretending to be doing mass testing and only test hospital admissions or whatever. I already know the projected amount of daily cases, what makes me mad is that they test way less than that and then pat themselves on the back for a job well done. Next thing they will use those numbers to bolster their retarded decision to re-instate the Alcohol ban.
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On that, we can agree.
Only WC has been pretty upfront about what their testing strategy and purpose has been and is. As to the rest of the country and the Health Department, who knows? Certainly, GP has been dishing out rubbish stats on testing from day one as far as I am concerned.

The figures and graphs we occassionally see on ch 404 from the CSIR at least do not try and disguise anything. It is a real pity that we are denied access to those stats and graphs on a daily basis, instead of being fed the fancy infographic official crap from the Health Minister.

The CSIR spokesman Dr Suliman, at least always stresses the point about not being able to place much credence on the increases/decreases on total cases because of the influence the testing strategy has on those numbers.

He also continues to caution against being too optimistic about any decrease in the death rates or infections as well.

The same applies to the BS interpretations we see by the news channels, eNCA and the SABC. Most of the time their reporting is nothing short of pathetic because of the interpretation they place on any of the number movements each day.

The number that really gets to me is the "recovery rate" The fuss that is made about this number daily is just ridiculous. How can a mathematcally derived number be called a recovery rate?
No testing is done to validate it. At best that number simply means that x number of people are no longer considered to be exhibiting any Covid 19 symptoms.
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
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Extremely low number of tests done today.
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Like I said before... They have run out of money and need to open up. Yet they can't just turn around and say it is now OK to go back, while the numbers keep increasing. Hence drop on testing.... Kind of the same when after the start of the lockdown the number of tests dropped off. And what followed? Their patting on the backs for flattening the curve..

Edit: what I don't understand is that the number of tests privately often drops equally to the drop in public tests...
 
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The number that really gets to me is the "recovery rate" The fuss that is made about this number daily is just ridiculous. How can a mathematcally derived number be called a recovery rate?
No testing is done to validate it. At best that number simply means that x number of people are no longer considered to be exhibiting any Covid 19 symptoms.
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Agreed. Also, do people really expect the number of recovered cases to be in the minority? Cases would have to double every 10 days or less for that to be the case.
Doubling time is much longer than that. As time passes, the percentage share of recovered cases will increase.
 
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Temujin said:
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Tender scandals: ANC NEC fails to take position against comrades scoring contracts | News24

A push by President Cyril Ramaphosa to discourage ANC leaders to allow their family members to do business with the state fell on deaf ears at a party meeting.
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ANC is filth... anyone supporting them too /end
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amen, may there be a hell so that every vile ANC cnut can burn in it for eternity!

not surprised in the least at the article though, you ever try to pull a feeding pig away from the trough? of course they're gonna squeal
 
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