South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[Paulsie]

I'm not sure why people see a mutation as something which should be prevented in the first place.

Because all you hear about in the media are mentions of the SA and UK strains. Constantly.

 

[Geoff.D]

I'm not sure why people see a mutation as something which should be prevented in the first place.

You can't prevent mutations. You can try and reduce the numbers of effective mutations by understanding what environmental conditions will ensure the survival of mutations.
As I posted long ago, anyone truly interested should go and study evolution theory first.

 

[surface]

WTAF - which vaccine is this? ok, nvm - J & J

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I really hope trials were conducted properly here . Great news if this works out. Needs only one jab, hugely effective and no deep freeze like Pfizer.

"South Africa is the first country in the world to officially roll out the vaccine, which must still be approved by the regulators in the US, EU and others. "

 

[Geoff.D]

WTAF - which vaccine is this? ok, nvm - J & J

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I really hope trials were conducted properly here . Great news if this works out. Needs only one jab, hugely effective and no deep freeze like Pfizer.

"South Africa is the first country in the world to officially roll out the vaccine, which must still be approved by the regulators in the US, EU and others. "

It is even a bigger slap in the face for the "where is the evidence" bandwagon.
J&J is not yet approved by the tin gods at the WHO!
SAHPRA is still playing their paper war and apparently, SAMRC have grudgingly granted some or other emergency clearance.

 

[quovadis]

You can't prevent mutations. You can try and reduce the numbers of effective mutations by understanding what environmental conditions will ensure the survival of mutations.
As I posted long ago, anyone truly interested should go and study evolutionary theory first.

I'll simplify what I'm saying since you're missing the point. The more mutations = the more chance of a similarly infective but considerably less deadly variant supplanting the current variants and thus resulting in us being able to overcome it.

 

[Grant]

Pick me. I'm a myBB certified physician.

Done

 

[Geoff.D]

The other issue I find unbelievable is that we are talking of less than 100 jabs per day per centre. Whereas in The USA there are reports of 1 jab per 2 minutes per person administering jabs. Someone needs to explain what the hell is the reason for our slow process?

 

[Paulsie]

It is even a bigger slap in the face for the "where is the evidence" bandwagon.
J&J is not yet approved by the tin gods at the WHO!
SAHPRA is still playing their paper war and apparently, SAMRC have grdudhingly granted some or other emergency clearance.

What do you know! You have no medical qualifications to criticise!! /s

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The other issue I find unbelievable is that we are talking of less than 100 jabs per day per centre. Whereas in The USA there are reports of 1 jab per 2 minutes per person administering jabs. Someone needs to explain what the hell is the reason for our slow process?

We're only getting 80 000 doses every 2 weeks and that will be the case until we get supplies of Pfizer - think first delivery in May with increasing supply in the 2nd half of the year.

 

[requiem]

The other issue I find unbelievable is that we are talking of less than 100 jabs per day per centre. Whereas in The USA there are reports of 1 jab per 2 minutes per person administering jabs. Someone needs to explain what the hell is the reason for our slow process?

 

[quovadis]

The other issue I find unbelievable is that we are talking of less than 100 jabs per day per centre. Whereas in The USA there are reports of 1 jab per 2 minutes per person administering jabs. Someone needs to explain what the hell is the reason for our slow process?

They only have 80,000 jabs apparently. I'd wager that is a month's worth at 100+ per centre per day + some left over for the elite. Probably enough time to get to the next shipment

 

[surface]

It is even a bigger slap in the face for the "where is the evidence" bandwagon.
J&J is not yet approved by the tin gods at the WHO!
SAHPRA is still playing their paper war and apparently, SAMRC have grdudhingly granted some or other emergency clearance.

I really didn't know that J & J vaccine was trialed in SA before today. I probably need to dig up a bit.

ok. found it.

Coronavirus: Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine trial shows protection against Covid-19 deaths and severe disease

‘Brilliant news,’ says J&J principal investigator of the South African arm Professor Glenda Gray, who herself enrolled in another vaccine trial. But vaccine efficacy of the single-shot J&J jab is lower in the variant now dominant in South Africa than in global trial results.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[Grant]

Let me make it more simple for you.
In 4 weeks there will basically be no-one dying of covid in SA confirmed by the graphs I posted.
We will not have completed or probably even started mass vaccinations before its all over.

Let's talk again in 4 weeks about the accuracy of the graphs and your prediction.

Looking at the Khayelitsha section it becomes clear that the second wave more infectious strain does not reinfect one in significant numbers. If it did Khayelitsha would also have seen a taller second wave.

Ergo
Current vaccines will work as designed then.

Clearly the first strains burned themselves out and the second one is almost done too.

Let's wait on the accuracy of your prediction

So now what is the panic about again?

Who is panicking?

 

[quovadis]

I really didn't know that J & J vaccine was trialed in SA before today. I probably need to dig up a bit.

ok. found it.

Coronavirus: Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine trial shows protection against Covid-19 deaths and severe disease

‘Brilliant news,’ says J&J principal investigator of the South African arm Professor Glenda Gray, who herself enrolled in another vaccine trial. But vaccine efficacy of the single-shot J&J jab is lower in the variant now dominant in South Africa than in global trial results.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

Some referred to it as the Janssen-developed vaccine.

 

[dualmeister]

 

[JohnJuniorV3]

The other issue I find unbelievable is that we are talking of less than 100 jabs per day per centre. Whereas in The USA there are reports of 1 jab per 2 minutes per person administering jabs. Someone needs to explain what the hell is the reason for our slow process?

There is actually 164 vaccinators in total across the country with each vaccinator administering around 48 vaccines a day. That's a total of 110 208 vaccines estimated to be administered over a period of 2 weeks. So more than the 80 000 that we will have available until the next doses arrive.

As the Pfizer vaccine arrives and more J&J arrive then more vaccinators will be activated to deliver the doses.

 

[Grant]

I really didn't know that J & J vaccine was trialed in SA before today. I probably need to dig up a bit.

I'm part of the trial group - there is also someone else here part of the group

 

[surface]

What are these vaccines for again? The prancing unicorn third wave that they may be useless against or to comfort the panic stricken?
Covid in SA is at most weeks away from being basically over until a new mutation may or may not be able to produce a third wave. There will be no mass vaccine rollout during this wave. It's too late and we are too slow.
Is this not effectively herd immunity against the existing strains? If not then why is almost no-one dying anymore?

Almost no one is dying anymore? Are you in Vietnam?

 

[Geoff.D]

There is actually 164 vaccinators in total across the country with each vaccinator administering around 48 vaccines a day. That's a total of 110 208 vaccines estimated to be administered over a period of 2 weeks. So more than the 80 000 that we will have available until the next doses arrive.

As the Pfizer vaccine arrives and more J&J arrive then more vaccinators will be activated to deliver the doses.

So worse then. 48 jabs per torturer per day. At 6 x60 work minutes, 7.5 minutes per jab!
Pa-the-tic!
And it has nothing to do with the available jabs, it is about process efficiency.

 

[flytek]

Almost no one is dying anymore? Are you in Vietnam?

I'm in South Africa where almost no-one is dying from covid anymore...where are you?