South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[quovadis]

The description above that graph:

Does estimated mean something different suddenly?

Perhaps read it again and then note further down " Deaths recorded on the National Population Register are provided to the SAMRC on a weekly basis"

Stop being obtuse.

 

[Geoff.D]

It literally has to do with the availability of the doses?.. There is no point in pulling out HCWs from their everyday activities to administer 80 000 vaccines in 2 days to then wait for 2 weeks to do it again. It disrupts the system.
I am registered as a “torturer” as you say, I have not been asked to do vaccinations yet, however when the AstraZeneca rollout was going to occur it was different as there was a million doses on standby.

Anyone with a needle in his hands is a torturer.

 

[MiW]

The description above that graph:

Does estimated mean something different suddenly?

It can only be estimate, until all data is properly collected and all the bureaucratic needs fulfilled. No one can show you the real data until 2023

 

[Geoff.D]

Oh, right, the one time I should have used sarcasm font.

I think the whole excess deaths things without telling us the total number of dead people of all causes is a completely useless thumbsuck of a number and the sooner people stop basing things off of it the better.

But they do. You have to read the whole report every week.

 

[Grant]

When does he go gay?

After Chinese intervention with anal swabs

 

[Geoff.D]

The description above that graph:

Does estimated mean something different suddenly?

It is listed as estimated because the SAMRC can't guarantee they get all the data of deaths. The official source of this data is STATSA. The issue is STATSA takes on average, 3 years to analyse and produce reports.
Where have you been for the last year???

 

[daveza]

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When did he become a front-line health worker ?

 

[MiW]

Western Cape has already approached vaccine manufacturers, Winde says | News24

A team tasked with securing Covid-19 vaccine doses for the Western Cape has started contacting pharmaceutical manufacturers, Premier Alan Winde has announced.

www.news24.com

 

[daveza]

WATCH: Ordinary South Africans will be vaccinated within 12 weeks - Professor Glenda Gray

South Africans can expect to be vaccinated within the next 12 weeks, this according to Professor Glenda Gray, who is heading the Johnson & Johnson implementation study in the country.

www.iol.co.za

By mid-May everyone in the country will be vaccinated ?

 

[MiW]

WATCH: Ordinary South Africans will be vaccinated within 12 weeks - Professor Glenda Gray

South Africans can expect to be vaccinated within the next 12 weeks, this according to Professor Glenda Gray, who is heading the Johnson & Johnson implementation study in the country.

www.iol.co.za

By mid-May everyone in the country will be vaccinated ?

Badly misquoted

We hope it will take 12 weeks to vaccinate the healthcare workers,“ she said.

 

[quovadis]

It is listed as estimated because the SAMRC can't guarantee they get all the data of deaths. The official source of this data is STATSA. The issue is STATSA takes on average, 3 years to analyse and produce reports.
Where have you been for the last year???

They get the actual data as it is from the National Population registry courtesy of the dept of home affairs on a weekly basis and only adjust for expected delays / processing / traditional anomalies. The estimations relate to the trend data.

 

[daveza]

So 1.25 million healthcare workers will be vaccinated by mid-May, 3 months.

That just leaves 58.75 million to go - what's that about , 12 years at the current rate ?

Viva ANC

 

[Geoff.D]

WATCH: Ordinary South Africans will be vaccinated within 12 weeks - Professor Glenda Gray

South Africans can expect to be vaccinated within the next 12 weeks, this according to Professor Glenda Gray, who is heading the Johnson & Johnson implementation study in the country.

www.iol.co.za

By mid-May everyone in the country will be vaccinated ?

A brilliant example of how SAHPRA bends the rules when it suits them. Or, when they get made an offer they can't refuse.

Mkhize said: “The immediate roll-out of phase one vaccination with J&J through the Sisonke protocol has been made possible by the fact that the 300 000 doses of the now proven and efficacious J&J vaccine were already tested and approved by SAHPRA for use under study conditions.”

 

[Grant]

A brilliant example of how SAHPRA bends the rules when it suits them. Or, when they get made an offer they can't refuse.

What was the offer they were unable to refuse?

 

[krycor]

So 1.25 million healthcare workers will be vaccinated by mid-May, 3 months.

That just leaves 58.75 million to go - what's that about , 12 years at the current rate ?

Viva ANC

More like 38 odd million. To do this in 1 year at a rate of 60 doses issued per site per day, you would need 1735 vaccination sites.

I’m pretty sure we have way more than 1735 public & private sites combined across the country, let alone that 60 vaccines per vaccinator/nurse etc which is is what’s aimed for to reduce the timeline. Combo that with private sector and medical aid eager to assist to reduce losses(see MMI) .. yah this target is a lot more do-able in urban areas.

Thankfully the majority of people live in or close to major urban areas. For more rural areas government has put in equitable distribution(where appropriately skilled and supplied with necessary tech or will try and ramp up mobile distrib) as part of their approach so.. yah I fail to see what the big concern is.

But then I’m not a pessimistic person and just looking at raw data.

 

[krycor]

Ps. If you browse government data you will know why they distributing the way they doing and why the achievable rate with healthcare isn’t a true measure.

But hey believe what you want I guess. For me I believe data and reports and thus know exactly why they chose the sites they distributing from.

 

[krycor]

A brilliant example of how SAHPRA bends the rules when it suits them. Or, when they get made an offer they can't refuse.

So basically they need to evaluate and study impact so using healthcare workers who are the most exposed but also the most monitored due to exposure as test subjects.. seems logical. What am I missing?

 

[Geoff.D]

So basically they need to evaluate and study impact so using healthcare workers who are the most exposed but also the most monitored due to exposure as test subjects.. seems logical. What am I missing?

Yes. Makes sense. Not criticising the actual rollout. Long overdue. But what I am saying it shows up the hypocrisy in the system ----- when they want to, they will hide behind rules and BS.

 

[daveza]

More like 38 odd million.

Mkhize thinks we only need less than 21 million.

We have secured enough Covid-19 vaccines for everyone in South Africa who needs it: Mkhize

Health minister Dr Zweli Khize says that South Africa has managed to successfully secure nine million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, with the delivery of the first batch of 80,000 on course and the vaccination due to begin this week.

businesstech.co.za

Health minister Dr Zweli Khize says that South Africa has managed to successfully secure nine million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, with the delivery of the first batch of 80,000 on course, and rollout due to begin this week.

Responding in parliament on Tuesday (16 February), Mkhize said that President Cyril Ramaphosa will announce the date and time of the first vaccinations in the coming days.

“Critically, an additional 500,000 doses are expected to arrive over the next four weeks, supplemented by another 20 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine that is expected to be received at the end of March 2021.

“I can also say that we have actually secured enough doses to vaccinate all the people who will need to be vaccinated in South Africa.”

 

[daveza]

^^ ..yet his own department says at least 40 million.