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Geoff.D said:
We have just visited our doctor again, and he is still of the opinion that we should NOT risk the jab.
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This makes me uncomfortable, that even doctors are in disagreement.

Though I do doubt the ability of our everyday GP to make a truly informed decision. Intricate knowledge of vaccines are beyond their scope of knowledge, albeit much better than ours.
 
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SAguy said:
This makes me uncomfortable, that even doctors are in disagreement.

Though I do doubt the ability of our everyday GP to make a truly informed decision. Intricate knowledge of vaccines are beyond their scope of knowledge, albeit much better than ours.
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Perhaps some GPs are of the old variety. Those that offer treatment when there are symptoms? And when there are none, they offer you a sweet, a pat on the back and send you on you way?

Do you really believe some governing or scientific body can make a better decision about your health than your GP, who should know you intimately?
 
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Paulsie said:
Perhaps some GPs are of the old variety. Those that offer treatment when there are symptoms? And when there are none, they offer you a sweet, a pat on the back and send you on you way?

Do you really believe some governing or scientific body can make a better decision about your health than your GP, who should know you intimately?
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Who do you go to first, your GP or the medical research council?
 
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Grant said:
Who do you go to first, your GP or the medical research council?
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I believe medical research council is in the best position to decide if something is OK to use. Your GP is in the best position to decide if it should be used.
 
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Paulsie said:
Perhaps some GPs are of the old variety. Those that offer treatment when there are symptoms? And when there are none, they offer you a sweet, a pat on the back and send you on you way?

Do you really believe some governing or scientific body can make a better decision about your health than your GP, who should know you intimately?
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When it comes to a vaccine I would rather take my advice from someone who has made it their life's work to find, produce and test it. Yes, my GP knows my health - but how well does he know the vaccine?

That's like saying you won't go see a specialist because your GP knows you better. GP's can't know everything in the amount of detail that other professionals do. You wouldn't let your GP do brain surgery on you, or treat you for cancer... you place you trust in those who have studied that field.
 
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Geoff.D said:
We have just visited our doctor again, and he is still of the opinion that we should NOT risk the jab.
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just to clarify, a real doctor or a homeopath?

Our family doctors all got their jab already and said we should all be in line when its ready.
 
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SAguy said:
When it comes to a vaccine I would rather take my advice from someone who has made it their life's work to find, produce and test it. Yes, my GP knows my health - but how well does he know the vaccine?

That's like saying you won't go see a specialist because your GP knows you better. GP's can't know everything in the amount of detail that other professionals do. You wouldn't let your GP do brain surgery on you, or treat you for cancer... you place you trust in those who have studied that field.
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Your GP is much more aware of your health history than any specialist will ever be. Your GP should know your previous history regarding responses to flu vaccines. And, it is based on that history, that his evaluation, is such that he does not recommend we get the covid VAX available at the moment.
And, he has evaluated ALL the reports about the vaccines. He himself is part of a trial.
 
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Geoff.D said:
Your GP is much more aware of your health history than any specialist will ever be. Your GP should know your previous history regarding responses to flu vaccines. And, it is based on that history, that his evaluation, is such that he does not recommend we get the covid VAX available at the moment.
And, he has evaluated ALL the reports about the vaccines. He himself is part of a trial.
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Fair enough, though I've never had a flu shot so my GP just going to be like: If he dies, he dies.

What keeps me up at night is that true informed consent (and informed advice from a GP) can never really exist with such complex medical matters. No one knows the vaccine as well as the team who created it for example, then below them in knowledge would be other vaccine specialists who haven't worked on the drug, then specialists who perhaps work on infectious diseases, and the list goes down and down, until eventually reaching your GP and you. As you go up this "knowledge chain" the person above you is more specialised and dedicates more of their lives to their area of expertise - there is no way you can ever know what they do - so how informed can your decision really be. Anyway, mildly unrelated rant.
 
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nivek said:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

MAVERICK CITIZEN 168 OP-ED: What South Africa must do to prepare for the third wave double whammy of Covid-19 and flu this winter

Pandemic preparedness for the third wave of Covid-19 must include a strong influenza prevention strategy, including vaccination.
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za

Why are they starting this nonsense again?

A double whammy of covid19 and flu?
Flu has been non existent for the past year, what are they on about?
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Flu is not non-existent. It has just been suppressed. How? No one seems to know why.

Besides, there has to be a "third wave" the entire ANC govt depends on it to continue with their power trip.

What we public sheople don't know is, will it be a genuine third wave, because we all know a virus as virulent as this one is supposed to be is not going to magically disappear, or, will its severity be contrived and manipulated to suit the political agenda.
 
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Geoff.D said:
Flu is not non-existent. It has just been suppressed. How? No one seems to know why.

Besides, there has to be a "third wave" the entire ANC govt depends on it to continue with their power trip.
What we public sheople don't know is, will it be a genuine third wave, because we all know a virus as virulent as this one is supposed to be is not going to magically disappear, or, will ist severity be contrived and manipulated to suit the political agenda.
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That's been the case for more than a year worldwide, so why would it suddenly change?
 
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Geoff.D said:
Flu is not non-existent. It has just been suppressed. How? No one seems to know why.

Besides, there has to be a "third wave" the entire ANC govt depends on it to continue with their power trip.

What we public sheople don't know is, will it be a genuine third wave, because we all know a virus as virulent as this one is supposed to be is not going to magically disappear, or, will its severity be contrived and manipulated to suit the political agenda.
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Exactly, it's been suppressed.... globally.. what's going to change with the 3rd wave?
 
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My GP (in Century City) says 30 to 40% of the cases they are seeing now are gastro related, and initially they were sending people for covid testing as their patients were exhibiting diarrhea, nausea, headaches and vomiting, but then they stopped as the tests were coming back negative. By the sounds of it gastro viruses are hardier than the coronavirus and it hand sanitizer alone won't do the trick for them, so perhaps there's such a high prevalence of this now as all the hand sanitizer is giving people a false sense of security. I think my old man caught this and in combination with a bladder infection, for a few days he felt so ill he just wanted to die :(
 
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