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Polymathic

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I don't care what people say about the effectiveness, safety and need regarding these vaccines.

Never before have people been called on to take part in human medical trials under the name of vaccine roll-outs as that's exactly what they are - medical trials in progress and people have no clue. The fact that the deputy health has to clarify this in the news confirms exactly that.

Imagine if there was a serious side effect that only came to be known in months to come. The world's governments would end up with severe egg on their faces indeed.
Every single country rolling out Vaccines are doing this. As a result of this the UK government has discovered that the Pfizer Vaccines takes 2 weeks do be effective and after 3 weeks it's 90% effective. I think they are only administering the 2nd dose after 2 months
 

Lupus

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My GP (in Century City) says 30 to 40% of the cases they are seeing now are gastro related, and initially they were sending people for covid testing as their patients were exhibiting diarrhea, nausea, headaches and vomiting, but then they stopped as the tests were coming back negative. By the sounds of it gastro viruses are hardier than the coronavirus and it hand sanitizer alone won't do the trick for them, so perhaps there's such a high prevalence of this now as all the hand sanitizer is giving people a false sense of security. I think my old man caught this and in combination with a bladder infection, for a few days he felt so ill he just wanted to die :(
Or all the hand sanitizing has created hardier stomach bugs? Or it's wiped out our bodies way of fighting off little bugs as we over sanitize.
Honestly the hand sanitizer thing is stupid still, masks yeah sure can understand that. But the hand sanitizer?
 

Paulsie

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Every single country rolling out Vaccines are doing this. As a result of this the UK government has discovered that the Pfizer Vaccines takes 2 weeks do be effective and after 3 weeks it's 90% effective. I think they are only administering the 2nd dose after 2 months
You're missing my point. I'm not challenging the vaccines and I'm not even challenging the trials. What I'm challenging is that these global in-vivo trials are put forward as the finished thing. THE vaccine. The fact that the UK government only found the best way to use it later on and the fact that SA govt found the AZ not as suitable AFTER receiving delivery proves my case in point.
 

Polymathic

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You're missing my point. I'm not challenging the vaccines and I'm not even challenging the trials. What I'm challenging is that these global in-vivo trials are put forward as the finished thing. THE vaccine. The fact that the UK government only found the best way to use it later on and the fact that SA govt found the AZ not as suitable AFTER receiving delivery proves my case in point.
That would mean delaying Vaccine rollout by years if done the traditional way
 

Paulsie

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That would mean delaying Vaccine rollout by years if done the traditional way
So has this thing been tested? Has it not? Short term? Long term? Not sure?

Again, missed my point. Tell people it's in trial stage, not many know. Don't BS people into compliance by selling this as the final product.
 

Polymathic

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So has this thing been tested? Has it not? Short term? Long term? Not sure?

Again, missed my point. Tell people it's in trial stage, not many know. Don't BS people into compliance by selling this as the final product.
If it's being rolled out in full then my definition it is not a trial. I don't know what you going on about about "final product". This is the "final product", any tweaks to the vaccine will result in a brand new "product" which then will have to back down to phase 1 trials.
 

Paulsie

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If it's being rolled out in full then my definition it is not a trial. I don't know what you going on about about "final product". This is the "final product", any tweaks to the vaccine will result in a brand new "product" which then will have to back down to phase 1 trials.
Why are we still testing? To confirm that it is safe and effective? Why are we testing for 2 years? To confirm it is safe and effective long term?
 

Grant

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So has this thing been tested? Has it not? Short term? Long term? Not sure?

Again, missed my point. Tell people it's in trial stage, not many know. Don't BS people into compliance by selling this as the final product.
You should try read the arguments in favour of IVM as a covid treatment sometime.
 

Paulsie

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You should try read the arguments in favour of IVM as a covid treatment sometime.
I'm not defending that one either. Actually everyone has a free choice. IVM, vaccines, no vaccines. As long as they make an informed decision based on facts, not marketing or hype (that goes for IVM and no-vaxx too).
 

MiW

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I'm not defending that one either. Actually everyone has a free choice. IVM, vaccines, no vaccines. As long as they make an informed decision based on facts, not marketing or hype (that goes for IVM and no-vaxx too).
You do know that all the media does hype for a living ?
 

StrontiumDog

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Or all the hand sanitizing has created hardier stomach bugs? Or it's wiped out our bodies way of fighting off little bugs as we over sanitize.
Honestly the hand sanitizer thing is stupid still, masks yeah sure can understand that. But the hand sanitizer?
OK i should have said that I googled it, but I didn't want to be that guy. Apparently gastro type viruses are faily resilient against alcohol based hand sanitisers.

"Alcohol cannot get through it, which is why alcohol-based hand sanitizers do not kill norovirus. “It's resistant to many common disinfectants,” Hall said. CDC recommends using bleach to kill it, including chlorine bleach or hydrogen peroxide. 30 Jan 2017"
 

Mila

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On 1 March 2021, DearSA’s legal team filed court papers as amicus curiae to bring the voices of 17,000 participants in our Covid-19 vaccination roll-out campaign before the court.

In the government’s court papers, the Department of Health’s Director-General acknowledged that the government could not have total control over the purchase, rollout, and administering of vaccines. As a result, the private procurement of COVID-19 vaccines is not prohibited. By removing absolute control from government, those who do not want a covid vaccine will now have the freedom of choice. Furthermore, the Constitution of SA would need to be amended in order to make vaccination mandatory.

We will continue to monitor government's rollout plan.
 

Geoff.D

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Gloves? Whatever for? They're wearing masks. That's the cure-all for everything. Heck, the one has a mask, a plastic anti-spatter shield and a doek. Old whatshername from the communist control committee must be her hero.
In fact, I am very concerned by people wearing gloves. If they don't change those gloves with every patient, then one has to wonder where those gloves have been?
I am much happier with people who regulary use a sanitiser than wear gloves.
 
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