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Lupus

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This is with no vaccine and at level 1? Sooooooo what is the cause of this? Or are we heading for the 3rd wave in June/July again?
 

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Ms Coronachan is finished with the townships?
She's finished with something, yet no one is talking about this? I mean we are not vaccinated but we are trending lower then most countries who do? Yet those ones who are claiming the vaccine is helping, isn't it possible you started vaccinating at the bottom of the natural curve? Looking at our numbers it's possible the vaccine is actually doing squat.
 

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Example the UK, still got over 300k active cases and still hitting 3000 new cases a day? They are vaccinating yet with a similar sized population, supposedly more intelligent population they are higher then us in all regards?
 

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Example the UK, still got over 300k active cases and still hitting 3000 new cases a day? They are vaccinating yet with a similar sized population, supposedly more intelligent population they are higher then us in all regards?
Comparable testing rates?
 

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Of course not :). But if this virus was so bad for SA, the tests wouldn't matter as our death rate would be as high, our hospitals would be overrun.
Look, we all knew (those of us who cared enough to engage our braincell) that the virus would burn through on it's own, as viruses of this kind normally do. Now we're seeing that happen and at the same time the vaccine is all the rage. You know exactly which version the media is going to punt.

It's that thing about seeing umbrellas every time it rains and concluding umbrellas cause rain.
 

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Look, we all knew (those of us who cared enough to engage our braincell) that the virus would burn through on it's own, as viruses of this kind normally do. Now we're seeing that happen and at the same time the vaccine is all the rage. You know exactly which version the media is going to punt.

It's that thing about seeing umbrellas every time it rains and concluding umbrellas cause rain.

But the streets never lined with the dead, there was no mass panic besides a loo roll shortage a year ago. People lost their jobs, their livelihoods to stop the virus. You mean that could've been for nothing?
 

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Look, we all knew (those of us who cared enough to engage our braincell) that the virus would burn through on it's own, as viruses of this kind normally do. Now we're seeing that happen and at the same time the vaccine is all the rage. You know exactly which version the media is going to punt.

It's that thing about seeing umbrellas every time it rains and concluding umbrellas cause rain.
What do you mean "burn through on it's own"? Did you miss the global lockdowns, handwashing obsession, mask wearing, sanitiser sales and general behaviour change among vast parts of the population? You want to assert things would be exactly the same in terms of the virus if we hadn't done any of that but there is no evidence to support that.
 

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But the streets never lined with the dead, there was no mass panic besides a loo roll shortage a year ago. People lost their jobs, their livelihoods to stop the virus. You mean that could've been for nothing?
It is incredible, that worldwide, governments have seen the folly of crackdowns, yet they consistently fail to correct their course of action.

Power hungry despots everywhere.
 

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Effectively what is being done with covid, is that we are all be coerced into being part of a global drug trial.
For free!!!! I remember you used to be able to get anywhere between 1-4K GBP for taking part in trials back in the days.
 

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What do you mean "burn through on it's own"? Did you miss the global lockdowns, handwashing obsession, mask wearing, sanitiser sales and general behaviour change among vast parts of the population?
Burn through on its own, meaning local township population not adhering to any lockdown regulations whatsoever, plus opening of beaches, return to work, no vaccine regime.

As opposed to the global obsession you're referring to.

Interesting that other areas that opened up, like Florida and Texas, are displaying same decrease.
 

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Burn through on its own, meaning local township population not adhering to any lockdown regulations whatsoever,
You know this how? Are you aware that everyone from the townships were restricted from traveling outside the area during lockdown, weren't going to work anymore, weren't taking taxis, shebeens were closed, etc. To say the township population was not adhering to any lockdown regulations whatsoever, is misguided and incorrect. It's true that in many cases it wasn't possible, or much harder to do so, but lockdown still had an effect and profoundly altered the way they are living. And what does "burn through" mean anyway?

plus opening of beaches, return to work, no vaccine regime.

As opposed to the global obsession you're referring to.

Interesting that other areas that opened up, like Florida and Texas, are displaying same decrease.
The US was a clear example of what happens if you don't lockdown early enough. Florida and Texas may have opened up but the number of deaths was very high to begin with - if that's what you mean by the virus "burning through on it's own" then yes I guess you a point.
 

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Look, we all knew (those of us who cared enough to engage our braincell) that the virus would burn through on it's own, as viruses of this kind normally do. Now we're seeing that happen and at the same time the vaccine is all the rage. You know exactly which version the media is going to punt.

It's that thing about seeing umbrellas every time it rains and concluding umbrellas cause rain.
The only problem with your "burn through" theory are the mutations / variants. Using this logic, the common flu virus should have been "burnt through" decades ago. Some of the mutations are not stopped by antibodies from prior infections.

The only way to FINALLY stop this, is to get people vacinated against the prevailing variants and to stop further mutations.
 

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The only problem with your "burn through" theory are the mutations / variants. Using this logic, the common flu virus should have been "burnt through" decades ago. Some of the mutations are not stopped by antibodies from prior infections.

The only way to FINALLY stop this, is to get people vacinated against the prevailing variants and to stop further mutations.
Actually the mutations in the flu variants have lead to weaker versions, also we have a flu vaccine for many different variants and we cannot stop that with them. What makes you think we could do that with the SARS-COV2 virus?
There are already more variants


This calls for global suppression, we can only guess what politicians versions of that are. Also from what I can see perhaps the South African version wasn't that scary, as it seems to be fizzling.
 

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Actually the mutations in the flu variants have lead to weaker versions, also we have a flu vaccine for many different variants and we cannot stop that with them. What makes you think we could do that with the SARS-COV2 virus?
There are already more variants


This calls for global suppression, we can only guess what politicians versions of that are. Also from what I can see perhaps the South African version wasn't that scary, as it seems to be fizzling.
The problem with the flu vaccines is that they are AT best 60% effective as apposed to almost 100% when compared to the Covid vaccine. Also, it's always a gamble whether the vaccine available is well matched against the flu circulating.

Millions of people a day are vaccinated against Covid. Together with lockdowns, handwashing, distancing etc it can be stopped. We don't have proper management (thank god) of the common flu outbreaks - nor mass vaccinations against the common flu - thus it will be around forever.
 

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The problem with the flu vaccines are that they are AT best 60% effective as apposed to almost 100% when compared to the Covid vaccine. Also, it's always a gamble whether the vaccine available is well matched against the flu circulating.

Millions of people a day are vaccinated against Covid. Together with lockdowns, handwashing, distancing etc it can be stopped. We don't have proper management (thank god) of the common flu outbreaks - nor mass vaccinations against the common flu - thus it will be around forever.
The COVID vaccine is not 100% and almost 100% isn't quite the same, the virus isn't going anywhere, especially since a lot of countries are still not vaccinating yet and even ones that are still have the virus in circulation. Social distancing and lockdowns can only be done for so long before society crumbles and it's starting to show. Industries are having issues, here in SA we have supply issues with copper, iron and even cement thanks to our lockdowns.
Roads are crumbling cause the asphalt plants were closed, people sadly need to work and it gets to a point on the virus that has a rather small chance of killing you, or hunger with a larger chance of killing you. All well and good for developed countries to keep taking the knocks, until even they run into that situation.
 

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The COVID vaccine is not 100% and almost 100% isn't quite the same, the virus isn't going anywhere, especially since a lot of countries are still not vaccinating yet and even ones that are still have the virus in circulation. Social distancing and lockdowns can only be done for so long before society crumbles and it's starting to show. Industries are having issues, here in SA we have supply issues with copper, iron and even cement thanks to our lockdowns.
Roads are crumbling cause the asphalt plants were closed, people sadly need to work and it gets to a point on the virus that has a rather small chance of killing you, or hunger with a larger chance of killing you. All well and good for developed countries to keep taking the knocks, until even they run into that situation.
I never said the Covid Vax is 100%. I was just pointing out the major difference between it and the flu virus.

For the rest - I hate this situation as much as the next person. All I was getting at was - is that we need to get the virus supressed as soon as possible and the vaccines are our best bet at this point.

We can't swing from one wave to the next forever.
 

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I never said the Covid Vax is 100%. I was just pointing out the major difference between it and the flu virus.

For the rest - I hate this situation as much as the next person. All I was getting at was - is that we need to get the virus supressed as soon as possible and the vaccines are our best bet at this point.

We can't swing from one wave to the next forever.
Why can't we swing from wave to the next? Humanity has been doing that forever on far more deadly diseases then this. So far the biggest cause of issues has been the governments around the worlds handling of it.
 

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The only problem with your "burn through" theory are the mutations / variants. Using this logic, the common flu virus should have been "burnt through" decades ago. Some of the mutations are not stopped by antibodies from prior infections.

The only way to FINALLY stop this, is to get people vacinated against the prevailing variants and to stop further mutations.
There is no "FINALLY stop this" virus. It is here to stay. And we as a species either adapt or not. The vaccines (all of them) hopefully get us all to a point where our immune system can handle it or not. The virus is here to stay.
 
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