South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[Paulsie]

Ja if I understood the prof correctly, that is exactly what is implied.

Has that not always been the case? I have seen the 10x actual cases estimation over and over again, cases mild or asymptomatic.

Ref 7
It was asked before, but how have lockdowns, social distancing and masking been so "effective" against flu (think compliance), while at the same time so ineffective against covid.

 

[pinball wizard]

Correct. The magic microbe is a hoax.

You're the guy who said "novel means fiction". As in the definition of the word.

You're a piss-poor troll or a retard.

 

[Lupus]

So what I've noticed is this thread has been going since September 2020, that's 8 months, the last 2 were done in a couple of months. So news slowing down? Apathy setting in?

 

[Geoff.D]

The 1 confirmed case versus 9 not known is the disturbing aspect. Someone should correlate that with the differences between actual confirmed covid death figures and the excess death figures.
Then the issue about early infection providing little or no protection against reinfection by variants.
How does that correlate with the efficacy claims made about the vaccines?
Something ain't quite right here.
I have not seen any stats anywhere about the numbers of people that have been infected more than once. All we see is talk of "deduplicated" data. Is that measure not hiding something, where reinfection data is lost in the belief that people can't be infected more than once?

 

[pinball wizard]

I have not seen any stats anywhere about the numbers of people that have been infected more than once. All we see is talk of "deduplicated" data. Is that measure not hiding something, where reinfection data is lost in the belief that people can't be infected more than once?

Yeah. If you get covid, you're only immune for three months afterwards.

Or, maybe science?

Immunity to the Coronavirus May Persist for Years, Scientists Find​

Important immune cells survive in the bone marrow of people who were infected with the virus or were inoculated against it, new research suggests

Immunity to the Coronavirus May Persist for Years, Scientists Find (Published 2021)

Important immune cells survive in the bone marrow of people who were infected with the virus or were inoculated against it, new research suggests.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Lupus]

The 1 confirmed case versus 9 not known is the disturbing aspect. Someone should correlate that with the differences between actual confirmed covid death figures and the excess death figures.
Then the issue about early infection providing little or no protection against reinfection by variants.
How does that correlate with the efficacy claims made about the vaccines?
Something ain't quite right here.
I have not seen any stats anywhere about the numbers of people that have been infected more than once. All we see is talk of "deduplicated" data. Is that measure not hiding something, where reinfection data is lost in the belief that people can't be infected more than once?

All the numbers are horrible, as I've gone on my high horse about, we can't keep counting these things daily. It doesn't achieve anything.

 

[noxibox]

Correct. The magic microbe is a hoax.

Are we talking sleight of hand or full-blown stage illusions? On a very small stage obviously.

 

[Geoff.D]

Today, for the first time since this whole drama started, we were confronted by a person clearly overweight, having serious breathing problems and a terrible hacking cough , wearing a mask but in the medicine queue at Dischem.
We were decidedly uncomfortable about it.
It made me wonder about the circumstances that led to this poor person having to collect their own medication when they should have been at home and in bed if not already in health care somewhere.

 

[Lupus]

Today, for the first time since this whole drama started, we were confronted by a person clearly overweight, having serious breathing problems and a terrible hacking cough , wearing a mask but in the medicine queue at Dischem.
We were decidedly uncomfortable about it.
It made me wonder about the circumstances that led to this poor person having to collect their own medication when they should have been at home and in bed if not already in health care somewhere.

More then likely the stupid delivery system. Even with the 2 scares we've had, we struggled to get them to deliver pmb meds.

 

[Paulsie]

Today, for the first time since this whole drama started, we were confronted by a person clearly overweight, having serious breathing problems and a terrible hacking cough , wearing a mask but in the medicine queue at Dischem.
We were decidedly uncomfortable about it.
It made me wonder about the circumstances that led to this poor person having to collect their own medication when they should have been at home and in bed if not already in health care somewhere.

Yet a year ago, you would not have bet an eyelid and thought about some person with cough standing right next to you

 

[Geoff.D]

Yet a year ago, you would not have bet an eyelid and thought about some person with cough standing right next to you

No, you are right, we were too wrapped up in our own lives to care very much. This mess has made us far more sensitive to the screwings and doings of others.

 

[Brawler]

I have not seen any stats anywhere about the numbers of people that have been infected more than once. All we see is talk of "deduplicated" data. Is that measure not hiding something, where reinfection data is lost in the belief that people can't be infected more than once?

The western cape dashboard shows reinfections.

 

[flytek]

Reinfections at around one percent could just as easily be false positives the first or second time? Either way it seems minor. Does it not also mean that prior infection may provide protection against severe illness, hospitalisation or death from covid much like the vaccines claim to do?
May places with high seroprevalence be effectively protected altogether? Perhaps vaccines are unecessary once a population has a certain seroprevalence level? Imagine that.

 

[Geoff.D]

Reinfections at around one percent could just as easily be false positives the first or second time? Either way it seems minor. Does it not also mean that prior infection may provide protection against severe illness, hospitalisation or death from covid much like the vaccines claim to do?
May places with high seroprevalence be effectively protected altogether? Perhaps vaccines are unecessary once a population has a certain seroprevalence level? Imagine that.

Not if you accept what the prof said this week about the very high levels of antibodies in the population, and still the variants are able still infect and be equally dangerous.
This makes me question the figures we have been given about the efficacy and effectiveness of the vaccines against the variants.
Personally, I think the authorities are clutching at straws, hoping like hell that the vaccines are going to deliver.

 

[Mortymoose]

Personally, I think the authorities are clutching at straws, hoping like hell that the vaccines are going to deliver.

Has the UK not displayed a massive drop in deaths after mass vaccination?

 

[Geoff.D]

Has the UK not displayed a massive drop in deaths after mass vaccination?

Too early to say so conclusively. The evidence to support effectiveness against new emerging variants is just non existent at this stage.

 

[Mortymoose]

Too early to say so conclusively. The evidence to support effectiveness against new emerging variants is just non existent at this stage.

Agreed! Early days still, must say that al the folk up here that I know (which numbers in the 100's) that have had the vaccine, all were very nervous and scared, but afterwards, their mental wellbeing improved knowing that this might work...... at least there was a sense of hope.........

 

[flytek]

Has the UK not displayed a massive drop in deaths after mass vaccination?

We also had a massive drop in deaths with nearly zero vaccinations so one has to be very careful when ascribing a drop in death rate to vaccines.

 

[Geoff.D]

Agreed! Early days still, must say that al the folk up here that I know (which numbers in the 100's) that have had the vaccine, all were very nervous and scared, but afterwards, their mental wellbeing improved knowing that this might work...... at least there was a sense of hope.........

Provided none of them relax their vigilance and precautions as a result.
Both my wife and I would get the jab. In my case the problem again confirmed by my doctor is the allergic reaction. He still maintains that I should not get the jab given our general risk profile

 

[neoprema]

"South Africa reported a total of 4,519 new Covid-19 cases on Saturday"

Just to add, that last 9 would have been an 8, but i tested positive yesterday