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Supervan II

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The 1 confirmed case versus 9 not known is the disturbing aspect.
How else? Considering that 30%+ are unemployed and many more sick/lame/lazy/old. I doubt that many, if any at all, have ±R750 laying around just to get tested - imho, this should have been catered for and testing should have been done gratis, but $$$$$$$$$.
 

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How else? Considering that 30%+ are unemployed and many more sick/lame/lazy/old. I doubt that many, if any at all, have ±R750 laying around just to get tested - imho, this should have been catered for and testing should have been done gratis, but $$$$$$$$$.
There are multiple factors. One is availability of tests. Two is that you don't want to be doing random testing as it produces skewed results. Three is that most people don't get sick enough to even realise they've had it, so they don't come in and neither do any of their contacts.

Besides the problem of false positives no country can test its entire population. How would you test millions of people all at once? If you get a negative result for someone do you test them over and over in case it is a false negative?
 

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Don't get too excited, this is only the start of more levels to come.
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On the contrary, I think that the govt has learnt how pointless most of the LD measures are.
The ONLY things that work are isolate the sick, quarantine the maybe sick and protect the vulnerable.
Cutting back on events where spreading can occur is part of protection, it makes sense.
Extending the curfew is because we have an idiototic stupid population.
 
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On the contrary, I think that the govt has learnt how pointless most of the LD measures are.
The ONLY things that work are isolate the sick, quarantine the maybe sick and protect the vulnerable.
Cutting back on events where spreading can occur is part of protection, it makes sense.
Extending the curfew is because we have an idiototic stupid population.
Also, there's less money to steal if businesses and individuals pay less or no tax due to forced business closures and the like.

The extremely harsh measures (anything from level 5 to the first level 3) were so monumentally stupid for a developing country, it beggars belief. SA government thought it could implement measures like developed countries without providing concomitant financial support.
 

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On the contrary, I think that the govt has learnt how pointless most of the LD measures are.
The ONLY things that work are isolate the sick, quarantine the maybe sick and protect the vulnerable.
Cutting back on events where spreading can occur is part of protection, it makes sense.
Extending the curfew is because we have an idiototic stupid population.
Yeah its more a case of "we need to be seen by the world as doing something" than it is "we KNOW this will cut the wave down". More likely what brings the wave down is that as the population hears the numbers the tendency to want to be more cautious goes up, and that in line with the curve of the wave being reached results in the downward trend again.

I do agree with your last statement though, i've seen pics of dance floors packed to the absolute brim and no masks. For them i feel nothing, if COVID gets you you brought that upon yourself as much as someone walking in front of a speeding car.
 

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More likely what brings the wave down is that as the population hears the numbers the tendency to want to be more cautious goes up, and that in line with the curve of the wave being reached results in the downward trend again.
Or just as likely it goes up and comes down regardless.

I do agree with your last statement though, i've seen pics of dance floors packed to the absolute brim and no masks.
So far all the ones I've encountered were being published by a third party and turned out to have been taken prior to March 2020.
 

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I do agree with your last statement though, i've seen pics of dance floors packed to the absolute brim and no masks. For them i feel nothing, if COVID gets you you brought that upon yourself as much as someone walking in front of a speeding car.
So far all the ones I've encountered were being published by a third party and turned out to have been taken prior to March 2020.

Actually I can confirm that we still go clubbing and we don't bother with masks or any of the governments stupid protocols. No, not going to say where and when. Still took me till December to catch the WuFlu, and I'm still not sure if we got it at a party or from a girl we went out with. Doesn't matter though, whatever way, it was well worth it. :p

I have a feeling that "super spreader events" are not so super spreader anymore, as most people that frequent them has had the virus by now. They call them super spreader events, I call it mass vaccination events.

Just a bit of a wake up call for those that think that the governments measures does anything. People are losing the fear and some just never had it.
 

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Actually I can confirm that we still go clubbing and we don't bother with masks or any of the governments stupid protocols. No, not going to say where and when. Still took me till December to catch the WuFlu, and I'm still not sure if we got it at a party or from a girl we went out with. Doesn't matter though, whatever way, it was well worth it. :p

I have a feeling that "super spreader events" are not so super spreader anymore, as most people that frequent them has had the virus by now. They call them super spreader events, I call it mass vaccination events.

Just a bit of a wake up call for those that think that the governments measures does anything. People are losing the fear and some just never had it.
There always has to be at least one that won't acknowledge how dangerous the virus is and then consequently get sick.

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Presumably, you are still at the age where you could shake it off.
And I hope for your sake that you continue to be able to shake it off.
But maybe you should think about tempting fate every so often?

So was your getting it confirmed by a test? Or having to be treated?
And while you had it, did you at least bother to prevent spreading it?
 
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There always has to be at least one that won't acknowledge how dangerous the virus is and then consequently get sick.

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Presumably, you are still at the age where you could shake it off.
And I hope for your sake that you continue to be able to shake it off.
But maybe you should think about tempting fate every so often?

So was your getting it confirmed by a test? Or having to be treated?
And while you had it, did you at least bother to prevent spreading it?
Well there is Neoprema who got it and he was super careful.
 

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Well there is Neoprema who got it and he was super careful.
Then are those people where just one person in a family gets infected in spite of them all living together and taking no special precautions in their home.

You also can't know whether it will turn nasty. Our neighbour who is over 65 and has diabetes considered it no worse than a bout of influenza.
 

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Actually I can confirm that we still go clubbing and we don't bother with masks or any of the governments stupid protocols. No, not going to say where and when. Still took me till December to catch the WuFlu, and I'm still not sure if we got it at a party or from a girl we went out with. Doesn't matter though, whatever way, it was well worth it. :p

I have a feeling that "super spreader events" are not so super spreader anymore, as most people that frequent them has had the virus by now. They call them super spreader events, I call it mass vaccination events.

Just a bit of a wake up call for those that think that the governments measures does anything. People are losing the fear and some just never had it.
Your sir, are a special kind of stupid.
 

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Your sir, are a special kind of stupid.
Because I decide my own risk/reward profile and consider it negligible? Playing around with my physiology is a hobby of mine, the virus was just one more test. From day one I accepted that I'm going to catch it, just like most people in the world.
I wanted to see for example how easily it is to catch if you ignore all safety precautions - took me months. Also wanted to see how well Ibudilast, a PDE4 inhibitor I take daily, works against the symptoms. It worked so well that it took me a few days to even notice I was sick, and not just useless.
There always has to be at least one that won't acknowledge how dangerous the virus is and then consequently get sick.

Presumably, you are still at the age where you could shake it off.
And I hope for your sake that you continue to be able to shake it off.
But maybe you should think about tempting fate every so often?

So was your getting it confirmed by a test? Or having to be treated?
And while you had it, did you at least bother to prevent spreading it?
People love saying how dangerous this virus is, calling it random. The problem is that some of the risk factors are not talked about. eg. Vitamin D levels and Insulin resistance. IR is not something many people measure, and just because your blood glucose is normal doesn't mean anything. You can look fit, while your poor pancreas are working overtime.
I, like many people I know, will not get tested. We are not going to give the government any data to justify their lockdown measures with. But 3 people who was in very close proximity for a weekend, that get the same covid specific symptoms, like a total loss of smell and taste, I count as pretty good circumstantial evidence.
By the time I figured I was sick and not just useless we were in the mountains, no one I could really spread it to.

The media loves stories where someone thinks covid is a joke, gets it, and then either die or get very sick so they can have a headline like "I thought covid was a joke and I nearly died from it". Those are the outliers. Most people who thinks its a joke and gets sick, don't nearly die from it, I'm just here to post that side of the experience too.

Generally I don't even think of the virus anymore, the people I work with and places I go are mostly mask-free friendly. Here I may have a few posts in the covid threads, but in my daily life it just warrant much of my attention.
 

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