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Geoff.D

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Something is terribly wrong in Gauteng. The infection rate is totally out of control. I think government is hiding true statistics. People and families are getting hammered. Private hospital beds are full. In fact, many offers patients to be transported to hospitals in other provinces. Heard from a single pharmacy this morning where rapid testing are done that they had over 90 people being tested by 11:00 and not a single person tested negative. Community groups on Facebook are on fire with infected people and whole families in Gauteng.
GP has always since the start been hiding things, distorting numbers and fudging the figures. The Province's vax process is in a total mess.

When pressurised, they release press statements such as

"Walk-ins allowed at vax centres" then when many turn up at private venues you find out, no it is not so. Then the press release is changed to say "walk-ins allowed at public vax centres". The people turn up, in large numbers, you find out no, you have to go to designated "walk-in centres in your area" not anyone.

Deeper scratching and you find out the problem is that GP Health has NOT guaranteed that private centres will be reimbursed for those not on MA which IS the real reason why private vax centres are not prepared to handle walk-ins, not on MA. And private places are refusing to allow those that want to pay the R 70, presumably out of fear that they will ultimately be accused of charging for what is supposed to be a "free service".

In any case, right now it is a completely idiotic idea for anyone to go and stand in a queue at an overwhelmed public medical facility in the hopes of getting a jab.
 

Lupus

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GP has always since the start been hiding things, distorting numbers and fudging the figure.d The Provinces vax process is in a total mess.

When pressurised, they release pres statements such as

"Walk-ins allowed at vax centres" then many turn up at private venues you find out no it is not so. Then the press release is changed to say "walk-ins allowed at public vax centres". The people turn up, in large numbers, you find out no, you have to go to designated "walk-in centres in your area" not anyone.

Deeper scratching and you find out the problem is that GP Health has NOT guaranteed that private centres will be reimbursed for those not on MA which IS the real reason why private vax centres are not prepared to handle walk-ins, not on MA. And private places are refusing to allow those that want to pay the R 70, presumably out of fear that they will ultimately e accused of charging for what is supposed to be a "free service".

In any case, right now it is a completely idiotic idea for anyone to go and stand in a queue at an overwhelmed public medical facility in the hopes of getting a jab.
Yup pretty sure GP has been fudging the numbers since the first wave.
 

Paulsie

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Ha! An existing hospital stays closed, a hospital donated to the Province stands unused and idle and at another one in PTA, the Chief whatsisname is finally prescribing the only thing that is known to work.

What a laughing joke GP is!
Once again, the alternative building technology hospitals have proved to be unready as another wave of Covid hits. At Chris Hani Bara only one of the four blocks of 125 beds is being used and even then the new wards can’t be occupied by very sick patients because the necessary ICU equipment and specialists are all in the main hospital, 500 metres away.
Two weeks to prepare....
 

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@MiW I can't quote your post (seems to be embedded in previous text).

We used to get weekly figures for R0/Rt to get a handle on the actual rate of growth in new cases. Clearly the numbers are very high, but it is not obvious if the rate of growth is different from the second wave.

My interpretation is that 'lockdown fatigue' has led to significantly slacker behaviour amongst young adults, and seemingly in corporate environments too.

Edit: Comprehensive links and data here:
Interesting that as per mediahack, the national number of hospitalization actually dropped in June.
 

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I’m guessing the guy in the UK is a forum person because the stupidity is what I see here.. .. give us evidence no.. whataboutisms..
 

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Geoff.D

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  • Some people who experienced “infection” ADRs were cases of re-activated latent viruses, including Herpes Zoster or shingles (1,827 ADRs), Herpes Simplex (943 ADRs, 1 fatal), and Rabies (1 fatal ADR).

For the sole benefit of the band who believe vaccinations "kill viruses".
 

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And all this isn't more public because? It would seem people are aware of some very bad science but don't seem willing to take them through public channels or even scientific publications.
Just like with VAERS in the US. The standard responses are either "the benefits exceed the risks" or "not likely associated with the vaccine"

Edit: added on..
 
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Düber

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So many wise decisions...
Remember February.


"The closure of Nasrec Field Hospital will not have a major impact in the treatment of Covid-19 patients. The Gauteng Department of Health now has the capacity to operationalise 4 265 functional beds through its hospital infrastructure should the need arise.
 
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So many wise decisions...
Remember February.


I think it made sense from a cost POV - no point having temp hospitals when admissions are low. But they should have set them up again quickly at least 2 - 3 weeks ago when it was clear Gauteng was experiencing a surge.
 

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Sinbad

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SA and UK infection rates seem to be in the same ballpark at the moment.
The difference a vaccinated population makes....
SA:
#COVID19 UPDATE: A total of 55,593 tests were conducted in the last 24 hrs, with 13,155 new cases, which represents a 23.7% positivity rate. A further 112 #COVID19 related deaths have been reported, bringing total fatalities to 58,702 to date. Read more:

UK:
Another 9,284 coronavirus cases and six more deaths have been reported in the UK, according to official daily figures.
It compares with 10,321 cases and 14 deaths yesterday, and 7,490 cases and eight deaths this time last week.
 

Düber

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I think it made sense from a cost POV - no point having temp hospitals when admissions are low. But they should have set them up again quickly at least 2 - 3 weeks ago when it was clear Gauteng was experiencing a surge.

Although, hasn't it been stated that they have a shortage of healthcare workers as well?

I'm not following the GP news that closely though.
Both valid points, and of course hindsight is the clearest view, but surely after the hospital (Charlotte Maxeke) fire in April and the constant 3rd wave prophecies it might have made sense to prepare perhaps?

I think that perhaps I am just getting fed up with all the numbers and decisions that don't make sense or add up.
I am either very dumb or missing some very important things.
 

now05ster

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I think that perhaps I am just getting fed up with all the numbers and decisions that don't make sense or add up.
I am either very dumb or missing some very important things.
I've stopped trying to make sense of it all ages ago. I now rely on these MYBB covid threads to get a nuanced view of it all.

My excuse, however, is that I am just plain dumb.
 

The Trutherizer

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I've stopped trying to make sense of it all ages ago. I now rely on these MYBB covid threads to get a nuanced view of it all.

My excuse, however, is that I am just plain dumb.
I've said from the start. I'm no doctor. No scientist. Let alone an epidemiologist.
Had a measles and polio shot as a baby. ~40 years later still no measles or polio. Show me a Covid vaccine, and I'll show my arm. As long as it comes from a medical professional.
I'll leave it to the tinfoil hats to each do an exhaustive personal "study" and vomit their opinions all over the web.
If people want perfection, they should watch Bones in Star Trek. We're not there quite yet. Closest is House MD, but his rates are ridiculous.
 
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