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Sinbad

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Chart no doubt produced using MS Project.
The process was rushed. There is NO evidence yet to show what the negative effects are for rushing the process. We are yet to find out. And maybe part if the lessons are now showing up.
Jesus I am so sick of the FUD and the misinformation

Chadox has been in development and use for years.


It's not new and untested and untrialled.
 

SlinkyMike

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Chart no doubt produced using MS Project.
Wrong again. WTF difference does it make what was used to build the chart???

The process was rushed. There is NO evidence yet to show what the negative effects are for rushing the process. We are yet to find out. And maybe part if the lessons are now showing up.
Of course it was rushed! It's urgent! That does not mean that steps were skipped. For god's sake please read the NYT article. It has full interactive charts that help you explore the options that were available, developed using a javascript library called D3, if you must know.

Here:
 

SlinkyMike

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Jesus I am so sick of the FUD and the misinformation

Chadox has been in development and use for years.


It's not new and untested and untrialled.
Great article. Add that to the development lifecycle they employed and Bob's your uncle!


Also: mRNA has been in development since the 70s - hardly a rushed job.
 

Geoff.D

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Jesus I am so sick of the FUD and the misinformation

Chadox has been in development and use for years.


It's not new and untested and untrialled.
Ja we hear you. Nothing says that new process does not have some or other hidden unknown flaw. We all hope that have thought of everything. We have no choice anyway. But do not think for one moment that it is perfect. That is the very essence of being complacent.
And by the way, neither should anyone assume the old process was any more secure.
"Time is a great healer, time can hide many things".
 

Sinbad

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Ja we hear you. Nothing says that new process does not have some or other hidden unknown flaw. We all hope that have thought of everything. We have no choice anyway. But do not think for one moment that it is perfect. That is the very essence of being complacent.
And by the way, neither should anyone assume the old process was any more secure.
"Time is a great healer, time can hide many things".
Nothing is perfect. Even something as innocuous as panado can kill.
 

The Trutherizer

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1. Your example is an excellent one. Those vaccines that we all did not bat an eyelid at that most of our kids got were extensively tested before they were used. These vaccines have been rushed through the system at breakneck speed, plenty of shortcuts taken with many outstanding questions.
2. Hence why there are now all sorts of issues with the vaccines popping up. WE are all part of a massive trial at this stage. We must accept that issues will be found and address them. None of this is expressing anti-vax sentiments just part of the process, which we all hope are being taken note of by the manufacturers.
3.the information should be moderating who gets the vaccines and change who is automatically selected for receiving the vaccines, OR, measure put in place to address the issues popping up. It does NOT mean the vax program should be stopped and it does not mean that people who raise questions should be labelled as anti-vax.
4. There are many older people in the country, the parents of all of you lot who DID NOT get some of the vaccines you so glibly talk about that you got! I never ever received the vaccines for chickenpox, measels, and a few more simply because they did not exist when we were kids -- we got those ailments the old fashioned way. Hence there is a natural resistance but into a large chunk of the population.
5. There is absolutely nothing wrong with each and every person choosing to be concerned and cautious. Our government has not been heaped itself in glory in this process at all. And it has screwed up the vax program plenty of times.
6. these are NOT opinions being "vomited up on an open forum" - these are 100% valid concerns that we want to know if our ringmaster and his clowns are even looking at!

Just look at the latest debacle with purchasing the WRONG syringes! -- That is an absolute indictment against the health department! It is a disgrace to hear that 1 does out of 6 is wasted just because our lot did not bother to CHECK before placing the order!
To show the seriousness of this "error". It means throwing away 166 667 does out of every 1 million purchased! Just how fast do you think any costs savings on another purchasing fiasco by the health department is used up like this?

Why should anyone have Any faith in this useless lot? what else have they failed to check?? and evaluate?
The number of shots has more to do with regulations imposed on the manufacturer. They used to only be allowed to say their vials contained 5 doses, but then got regulatory approval that allowed them to say they contain 6. Even though you need a special needle to get 6 full doses out. But then, in the US they ship the vaccine with the correct needles included. I wouldn't call it an indictment as such. Just some rather chaotic fallout from decisions made elsewhere.
 

Geoff.D

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The number of shots has more to do with regulations imposed on the manufacturer. They used to only be allowed to say their vials contained 5 doses, but then got regulatory approval that allowed them to say they contain 6. Even though you need a special needle to get 6 full doses out. But then, in the US they ship the vaccine with the correct needles included. I wouldn't call it an indictment as such. Just some rather chaotic fallout from decisions made elsewhere.
All okay IF you factor in 5 jabs per vial. But, IF you factor in 6 jabs per vial, and then only get 5, because YOU (our govt) FAIL to see the significance of a simple thing like syringe type, then it is not fall out but plain old fashioned incompetence.
 

The Trutherizer

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All okay IF you factor in 5 jabs per vial. But, IF you factor in 6 jabs per vial, and then only get 5, because YOU (our govt) FAIL to see the significance of a simple thing like syringe type, then it is not fall out but plain old fashioned incompetence.
Do you have a problem reading? Not long ago the manufacturer was still selling it as 5 doses. The same vial they are now selling as 6 doses.
 

Geoff.D

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Do you have a problem reading? Not long ago the manufacturer was still selling it as 5 doses. The same vial they are now selling as 6 doses.
And if you watch the local news you will know that a health official conceded they were using 6 doses per vial in their calcs.
 

Gordon_R

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And if you watch the local news you will know that a health official conceded they were using 6 doses per vial in their calcs.

What's the old saying about counting your chickens before they hatch? Seems to apply every few weeks around here during this pandemic...

Edit: Closely followed by something about putting all your eggs in one basket...
 

Geoff.D

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All I know is there are thouands of registered people not getting their EVDS numbers.
 

Gordon_R

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Frankly I'm more concerned why some sites are sitting, fully stocked, for days with hardly anybody rocking up.

Part of the problem is that SMSs are sent from a central database, with little connection to reality on the ground. A combination of vaccine hesitancy, and poor management...
 
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