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From a country with 80% previously infected wtf are the maniacly pro vax so worried about. Other civilised countries like the UK with 80% vaccinated are completwly open? What the hell gives? Are they so happy at home in mommas basement that they just want that for everyone?
Well, the natural immunity that is so well promoted by antivaxxers must obviously not be helping because if 80% of the population have had previous COVID then the passing wave should not have hit so hard.
 

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Before this wave it was about 50% just enough space for a highly infectious new strain to panic some again
 

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From a country with 80% previously infected wtf are the maniacly pro vax so worried about. Other civilised countries like the UK with 80% vaccinated are completwly open? What the hell gives? Are they so happy at home in mommas basement that they just want that for everyone?

We are not "a country with 80% previously infected".
 

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How do you explain anyone in this country's obsession with vaccines when 80% of us have antibodies? Or will only a booster every 6 months be sufficient protection?
Discivery also has a profit incentive for as many as possible to have antibodies and get vaccinated on top as often as possible. Less risk of death and to their bottom line.

The obsession also started way before we had 80% with antibodies. The vaccine take up was just too slow. Delta beat the vaccines to most of the remainder of the population.

Some humans just like to belong to special little groups that make them feel superior to others.
 
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Well, the natural immunity that is so well promoted by antivaxxers must obviously not be helping because if 80% of the population have had previous COVID then the passing wave should not have hit so hard.

Not sure of your logic. The Delta variant has an R0 above 6.0, so even 80% immunity does little to stop its spread. The 20% who have no immunity are getting hammered.
 

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How do you explain anyone in this country's obsession with vaccines when 80% of us have antibodies? Or will only a booster every 6 months be sufficient protection?

The obsession also started way before we had 80% with antibodies. The vaccine take up was just too slow. Delta beat the vaccines to most of the remainder of the population.

Some humans just like to belong to special little groups that make them feel superior to others.
I assume that either some people understand that this was one scenario of multiple scenarios forecast by discovery or people understand the limitation of post infection immunity.

Certainly you don't seem to have an explanation of why discovery has put so much resources into vaccination if they a) believe this scenario and b) have confidence in post infection immunity.
 

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Well there are studies that say post infection immunity is better than vaccine immunity and probably vica versa too. The only questions that remain are will a strain develop that can easily kill those with antibodiea or will natural or made made antibody top ups be required indefinately?
 

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Delta happened post blood bank data putting us at around 50% antibodies (up till may if i recall). So they effectively back discovery's 80% estimate.
 

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Delta happened post blood bank data putting us at around 50% antibodies (up till may if i recall). So they effectively back discovery's 80% estimate.
Two things do you know how discovery came to that figure?
The majority of people who ask me to test for antibodies do not end up having antibodies. My N of 1 suggests the 80% rate is optimistic.
 

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Is your average request coming from a population sample representative of the broader SA population?

They came to that figure using all the best data they could lay their brains on. Some may have pushed the result one way or the other but as I say the blood bank data effectively concurrs. They could of course both be wrong but by how much?
I suspect the blood bank data is conservative based on the masses being less likely to donate blood than the middle class?
 

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Well there are studies that say post infection immunity is better than vaccine immunity and probably vica versa too. The only questions that remain are will a strain develop that can easily kill those with antibodiea or will natural or made made antibody top ups be required indefinately?
what is your plan of action once your company makes it vax mandatory ? Are you going to show natural immunity certificate ?
 

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I expect common sense to eventually prevail once people realize that 80% have antibodies from previous infections or vaccines, then its up to everyone to look after themselves and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. Unfortunately not everyone has common sense. Some rather have religious fervor.
 
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I expect common sense to eventually prevail once people realize that 80% have antibodies from previous infections or vaccines, then its up to everyone to look after themselves and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing. Unfortunately not everyone has common sense. Some rather have religious fervor.
And neither has any governments and many so called experts!
 

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And neither has any governments and many so called experts!
You hit the nail on the head.

The idea here is not whether you are the hypnotized ‘pro’ indoctrinated by managed/blackmailed government officials, or whether you are ‘anti’ - fueled by controlled opposition?
It is of no concern which argument is correct or irrational.

The goal by those orchestrating this is to create mayhem, (initiated by the false pandemic), the deliberate collapse of small business and services (via lockdowns, riots, protests etc) in order to make society dependent on bail-outs and globalists. At which time the UN/WHO/WEF/NWO steps in and saves mankind from themselves.
What you and I see at the moment is illogical (no matter which side you are on) …. and people are waiting to be saved.
But instead of being rescued, the NWO/IMF/UN/WEF being our liberator, will in turn become our oppressor.

They created both the problem and the solution in order to coax us into turning ourselves over without a fight.

Before this is over, billions will be dead, the entranced will believe it is Covid, or caused by the unvaccinated, and the opposition will believe it is genocide/euthanasia/eugenics … never-the-less, the result will be the same.

The NWO would have accomplished both depopulation and total control

“ORDER OUT OF CHAOS”
 

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You hit the nail on the head.

The idea here is not whether you are the hypnotized ‘pro’ indoctrinated by managed/blackmailed government officials, or whether you are ‘anti’ - fueled by controlled opposition?
It is of no concern which argument is correct or irrational.

The goal by those orchestrating this is to create mayhem, (initiated by the false pandemic), the deliberate collapse of small business and services (via lockdowns, riots, protests etc) in order to make society dependent on bail-outs and globalists. At which time the UN/WHO/WEF/NWO steps in and saves mankind from themselves.
What you and I see at the moment is illogical (no matter which side you are on) …. and people are waiting to be saved.
But instead of being rescued, the NWO/IMF/UN/WEF being our liberator, will in turn become our oppressor.

They created both the problem and the solution in order to coax us into turning ourselves over without a fight.

Before this is over, billions will be dead, the entranced will believe it is Covid, or caused by the unvaccinated, and the opposition will believe it is genocide/euthanasia/eugenics … never-the-less, the result will be the same.

The NWO would have accomplished both depopulation and total control

“ORDER OUT OF CHAOS”
This will go down well..
 

Geoff.D

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I assume that either some people understand that this was one scenario of multiple scenarios forecast by discovery or people understand the limitation of post infection immunity.

Certainly you don't seem to have an explanation of why discovery has put so much resources into vaccination if they a) believe this scenario and b) have confidence in post infection immunity.
Much more simple. Discovery is just playing to the latest hype and BS.
LDs disturbed the "natural" progression of a virus infection inna community, PREVENTED the solid build up of natural immunity in a population. Hence, all the lovely theories the epiwhatisnames have about how a new virus will spread in a population went up in smoke.
Then, they try and apply the science to a situation which is no longer in play and get judtabout everything else wrong after that.
Sweden did not do that. And they have very successfully now got to a situation where they are reaping the benefits of both naturally acquired immunity and vaccine induced immunity.
Their slip up was not adequately protecting the vulnerable.
We on the other hand are reaping the worst aspects of both. A messed up naturally acquired immunity in the population coupled with a badly run vaccination program.
 
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