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CataclysmZA said:
A pharmacist friend of mine who is making home visits decked out in full PPE says that the people he's seeing now are getting sicker faster and for longer. His oxygen supplies are depleted, and his oxygen concentrators are all in for repairs. The second wave is reaching people who were protected with the first lockdowns, and this may be mostly due to family visits during the holidays. Cases in retirement communities are also on the rise as kids visit their grandparents.

As for the death rate, that's expected as our case numbers have almost doubled from November, and daily new cases are in the 22% range now.

This would only apply for people who are testing because they are symptomatic, so the point still stands that we're seeing a doubling in the infection/positivity rate.

That high of a number, even with PCR tests that have ~70% confidence levels, tells you that there are many more cases that you're not catching.
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It is rather disturbing. Perhaps more so than anything else I have seen this year. If, as currently seems the case, between 6 and 7 people out of every hundred who get it in South Africa die, it puts us among the very worst countries in the world in terms of treating it. In fact looking at the John Hopkins data, only one, Mexico, is worse. Either that or as you say, we might have a more vicious strain but I haven't seen anything about that.
 
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Kusana said:
It is rather disturbing. Perhaps more so than anything else I have seen this year. If, as currently seems the case, between 6 and 7 people out of every hundred who get it in South Africa die, it puts us among the very worst countries in the world in terms of treating it. In fact looking at the John Hopkins data, only one, Mexico, is worse. Either that or as you say, we might have a more vicious strain but I haven't seen anything about that.
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I have no idea if the above have any relation to strains, SA labs found the one circling in EU minks locally.
 
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Kusana said:
It is rather disturbing. Perhaps more so than anything else I have seen this year. If, as currently seems the case, between 6 and 7 people out of every hundred who get it in South Africa die, it puts us among the very worst countries in the world in terms of treating it. In fact looking at the John Hopkins data, only one, Mexico, is worse. Either that or as you say, we might have a more vicious strain but I haven't seen anything about that.
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Or, the majority of infections go undetected (not pcr tests, where you test positive by amplifying dead virus, but infected with no symptoms)
 
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Lupus said:
You know PCR testing isn't designed for mass testing right? You're saying there is a 20% positive rate, there is more likely only 10% as the PCR test can and does pick up the virus when it's been dead up to 80 days. So thats someone who had the virus 3 months ago still testing positive.
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This is very relevant.
See here, post #13

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Note should be Covid-19 I have some questions regarding the APP. Ignoring the conspiracy theories of tracking etc. 1) if I have been diagnosed with the Covid, I am supposed to quarantine and indicate it on the APP. How are people then going to receive my notification and know that they were in...
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I found out this morning 2 medical practices on the Atlantic Seaboard have had to close.
All doctors (4 at one practice and 3 at the other) have tested positive.

This raises a few concerns - are doctors not taking the required precautions in terms of ppe - which I find unlikely for all 7 doctors across two different practices.
Or are we missing something.
 
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Grant said:
I found out this morning 2 medical practices on the Atlantic Seaboard have had to close.
All doctors (4 at one practice and 3 at the other) have tested positive.

This raises a few concerns - are doctors not taking the required precautions in terms of ppe - which I find unlikely for all 7 doctors across two different practices.
Or are we missing something.
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My GP takes few precautions. He's only recently started wearing a mask but, like most, his mask is always beneath the nose. And his staff don't wear masks when there are no patients.
 
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Grant said:
I found out this morning 2 medical practices on the Atlantic Seaboard have had to close.
All doctors (4 at one practice and 3 at the other) have tested positive.

This raises a few concerns - are doctors not taking the required precautions in terms of ppe - which I find unlikely for all 7 doctors across two different practices.
Or are we missing something.
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I went to Medicross yesterday and most doctors had normal cloth/surgical masks on. In government clinics the standard PPE for all healthcare workers (except those specifically dealing with COVID/TB) is a surgical mask. I use a Noish N95 when working at clinics.
 
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My doctor literally found out one of his patients has covid, ( back in July). Did a house call and removed his mask to get it.

Bugger isolated himself straight after that and waited. 5 days in he felt bad, 2 days of being vrot in bed and then his wife got it, she was feeling little bit fatigued but that was it. He stated it took him a week to feel decent again. Only those 2 days were bad.

Funny thing, he's got 7 sons, not one of them got it. I believe they age from high-school and the rest 20's and 30's

Told him that's a huge risk. He stated, " i know what to give my patients, in the sense of medication and advice".

Some of you won't like what he told me next, he had flu, few years ago that was worse.

All i wanted yesterday was my yearly check up :ROFL:
 
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CataclysmZA said:
A pharmacist friend of mine who is making home visits decked out in full PPE says that the people he's seeing now are getting sicker faster and for longer. His oxygen supplies are depleted, and his oxygen concentrators are all in for repairs. The second wave is reaching people who were protected with the first lockdowns, and this may be mostly due to family visits during the holidays. Cases in retirement communities are also on the rise as kids visit their grandparents.

As for the death rate, that's expected as our case numbers have almost doubled from November, and daily new cases are in the 22% range now.

This would only apply for people who are testing because they are symptomatic, so the point still stands that we're seeing a doubling in the infection/positivity rate.

That high of a number, even with PCR tests that have ~70% confidence levels, tells you that there are many more cases that you're not catching.
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It also shows you the ones we are catching which aren't valid. So it's a balancing act?
 
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So Netcare is not allowing fathers to stay in the rooms with their wives during their stay after child birth.

What ****ing bullshit.
 
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Why do they need to stay after the birth ?

I'm surprised they let fathers-to-be in at all.
 
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daveza said:
Great - thousands from the Western Cape will go to the Eastern Cape and bring it back after the festive season.
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Nope. It’s already everywhere, apparently. The yellow bars are supposedly the proportion of genomes sampled that it accounts for each week, relative to other genomes. Which, from my reading, seems extremely odd - no single variant seems to have such an overwhelming and rapidly established predominance anywhere else in the world.

IMHO They really should have published first, and had some kind of peer review process. Ironically, their mantra is “follow the science” and they would probably be the first in line to lambaste anyone quoting research that hasn’t been peer reviewed.

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xcaliber said:
So you left your wife at the hospital and went home?
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The second time - someone had to look after the 2yr old.

Wife stayed for 3 days after both births - was I meant to stay there in a chair ?

But I think the point is what is anyone doing in a hospital that doesn't absolutely have to be there.

My older brother went to hospital earlier this year and zero visitors were allowed.
 
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