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yebocan
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They did prepare, within the limits of available budgets and the projected figures for Covid-19 patients. Infinite funds are not available to prepare for infinite number of patients. Yes, in the long run the SA public health system has to be overhauled, but even countries with way better health systems and resources are also struggling with the sudden influx of Covid-19 patients at the same time.
The health system coped relatively well with the first wave. In fact one of the common complaints (including from PANDA & most on this forum) was that the government had over reacted, projections for Covid-19 patients were inflated, and SA in particular (& Africa in general) was somehow going to be spared the worst effects of the virus for some reason. These same armchair critics are the same people claiming that the govt should have anticipated these second wave numbers. No one anticipated the magnitude of the second wave or the speed with which the peak rates would be reached (allegedly due to the new virus variant & people not adhering to the rules), which has resulted in the health system being almost / overwhelmed. SA is not unique in this respect as other countries are now facing the same problem.
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It may have come across that way but my mood is aimed at that lot who have put us in this position and simply refuse to acknowledge it or suffer any consequences for it.
They want us to stay isolated, restricted, their actions necessary or otherwise have caused job losses, which in some cases means starvation.
They cannot afford to compensate financially because the country is broke - looted and squandered by them.
But has anything changed for them - hardly anything at all. They are quite happy to piss away R16 billion for their own ego while healthcare workers die from wearing one mask a day.
They will continue to protect those who have stolen our money and those few who may be held accountable are suspended on full pay - in some cases for years and years.
Cyril can shed crocodile tears and the rest can tell us how much they want to save lives - they have proved over and over they don't give a **** about lives except their own and those of their cronies.
Fck 'em.
yebocan
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so this is infection from +-two weeks ago, we have not even hit the big days...Christmas, Boxing Day....
Lupus
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Who knows the testing criteria and how far back it goes, how is recorded and if it's dedupled. But we've got to take these numbers for what they are.
Though it won't be numbers from +-2 weeks ago.
yebocan
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..not that anyone needs reminding...but look after yourself and yours... - it ain't going to be pretty...last thing you want, is to be near or in any medical facility. WC has about the best public health system in ZA ...I do not even want to think what the rest of the country is going to have to endure.
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Is Cape Talk mainstream? I view them, and 702, as far-left.
The_Right_Honourable_Brit
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It's likely a bit less than 2 weeks - at least all the people I've known who have done private tests have their results in 1 - 2 days. I can't speak about public sector tests...
This is likely a reflection of the Christmas Day/Boxing Day backlog as well that is now being cleared.
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The woke, self-righteous, preachy channel.
The_Right_Honourable_Brit
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yebocan
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thanks... second person I know, has kicked the bucket because of covid... - hoping that is the last, but doubt it.
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The verifiable facts in this report are:
1. The maths is correct.
2. The test vetting process is pretty good as it is identifying those most likely to test positive.
The impressive figure is the 53 279 tests in one 24-hour period? Or am i assuming too much?
Where are the figures of the numbers of people requesting tests who did not get through the vetting process?
Geoff.D
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But no one was allowed to be on the beaches? Obviously, the numbers are going to be low? I mean all the people congregating in malls and other attractions are not going to get sick?
yebocan
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more worried about the spread between households during the big days.
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Reading both Alan Winde's statement and the tweet from Dr Faried, it's strange to say but both of them are correct to some extent. However there seems to be some misunderstanding.
The way Alan Winde's statement is worded it may give the impression that all those extra beds / additional facilities have been added in December in response to the second wave. ( Possibly a lie by omission? - he could have given the commissioning dates for each facility, but I suppose he assumed that is common knowledge by now - e.g. most people know about Brackengate).
Dr Faried has reacted to this by claiming that no beds were added to the system during the second wave. That is not correct (with all due respect to the sacrifices that the front line health workers are making.
These beds were added between March and August (for the first wave, but retained in preparation for second wave etc):
- 336 beds at the Hospital of Hope (Brackengate)
- 60 beds at the Freesia Ward in Mitchell’s Plan
- 30 beds at Ward 99 in Mitchell’s Plain
- 59 beds at the Sonstraal Hospital in Drakenstein
- 72 beds in Vredendal, Hermanus and George
- 187 beds at Aquarius Ward in Mitchells Plain (Lentegeur Hospital).
So it is not correct for Dr Faried to claim that no new beds have been added in the last week.
The doctor is right about the new tents - they are for admissions and discharge. This was mentioned in Alan Winde's statement, so I don't know why Doctor Faried has an issue with that.
yebocan
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thanks for diving in there...- Winde comes with the usual political spin, that all politicians partake in....the Doc is coming from a point of frustration , I am sure he is just an expression of what many of our frontline medical professionals are feeling (can not even imagine what level of stress they are dealing with) ...- NO ONE saw this variant coming, nor that it would be fueling our second wave... The WC has the best managed public health system in the country...and is just, or not even, coping...does not bode well for the rest of the country. Best to ensure, that you do not get left to the mercy of our health systems...public or private... during this madness.
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IF we look at the news, where Gift of the Givers is buying and donating locally produced non-invasive ventilators and helping with the installation of oxygen points, then it is very clear how much the health system in the country prepared for anything.
WC is and will remain the best prepared. The flack they are getting is not justifiable. BUT that does not take anything away from the fact that they are not reporting the facts correctly.
So stick to the real facts, stop colouring it in with political double-talk and you will be better off in the end.
WC is and will remain the best prepared. The flack they are getting is not justifiable. BUT that does not take anything away from the fact that they are not reporting the facts correctly.
So stick to the real facts, stop colouring it in with political double-talk and you will be better off in the end.
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So not over a 24 hour period than? Sigh more fear mongering by making it seem like that is the number over the 24 hour period, so the positivy rate cannot be taken for that than. Unless they only did 53k tests over the same period.
This is why you can't trust any of the b numbers as you don't know the testing criteria, waiting period for results how they are calculated and such.
The_Right_Honourable_Brit
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All developing countries mentioned are in South America though - proximity to NA a huge benefit?
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Which would be in those results, as those results were from the 23 to the 28th so not over a 24 hour period.
We all know by now that results can take a few hours to a few days... Some cases never