South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[Forum Reader]

Basically you can't take a look at the positivity rate as an indication if they are only testing certain people again.

That's why you look at both the number of tests and positivity rate.

 

[CataclysmZA]

So we ok with Chinese and Russian vaccines? If memory serves me right...all countries mentioned are either going the Chinese or Russian route...

I will certainly not be taking any vaccine produced in Russia or China.

Amazing to see people say they won't take these vaccines without knowing the details of their efficacy and study results.

Russia's main vaccine was developed by the Gamaleya Institute and is a combination of adenoviruses that hosts inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus, that work together to ensure that the immune system creates antibodies and doesn't try to fight the vaccine itself. Efficacy is over 91%, and phase 1, 2, and 3 human trials went fairly well. No serious side effects have been found. A fourth trial of 31,000 participants is underway, but the vaccine is already available under an emergency rollout clause.

Gamaleya is recommending that their Sputnik-V vaccine be supplemented by the Oxford-Zeneca vaccine to cover any potential differences in spike proteins. Argentina has approved it for early use for first-line and healthcare workers. Another Russian-made vaccine, EpiVacCorona, is in phase 3 trials and targets spike proteins.

China has several vaccines in development both internally and outside the country, and in different trial stages. This includes Convidecia (by CanSino Biologics, unknown efficacy but trials will complete soon), BBIBP-CorV (by the Beijing Institute of Biological Products, 86% efficacy), CoronaVac by Sinovac Biotech (efficacy will be determined next month, will be sold to Indonesia and Ukraine), and Sinopharm's inactivated virus vaccine which is currently in phase 3 trials and has reported no serious side effects.

All these vaccines have passed their phase 1 and 2 trials, which means there are no serious side effects and they are all effective at producing an immune response.

 

[MiW]

Amazing to see people say they won't take these vaccines without knowing the details of their efficacy and study results.

That is exactly the problem, not knowing.

All these vaccines have passed their phase 1 and 2 trials, which means there are no serious side effects and they are all effective at producing an immune response.

This vaccines had trails in countries where medics are arrested , or fall of windows in large numbers. So no one will report any negative stats about them.
They might be even better than, pfizer, but how can anyone trust anything coming from Russian and Chinese governments?

 

[yebocan]

Amazing to see people say they won't take these vaccines without knowing the details of their efficacy and study results.

Russia's main vaccine was developed by the Gamaleya Institute and is a combination of adenoviruses that hosts inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus, that work together to ensure that the immune system creates antibodies and doesn't try to fight the vaccine itself. Efficacy is over 91%, and phase 1, 2, and 3 human trials went fairly well. No serious side effects have been found. A fourth trial of 31,000 participants is underway, but the vaccine is already available under an emergency rollout clause.

Gamaleya is recommending that their Sputnik-V vaccine be supplemented by the Oxford-Zeneca vaccine to cover any potential differences in spike proteins. Argentina has approved it for early use for first-line and healthcare workers. Another Russian-made vaccine, EpiVacCorona, is in phase 3 trials and targets spike proteins.

China has several vaccines in development both internally and outside the country, and in different trial stages. This includes Convidecia (by CanSino Biologics, unknown efficacy but trials will complete soon), BBIBP-CorV (by the Beijing Institute of Biological Products, 86% efficacy), CoronaVac by Sinovac Biotech (efficacy will be determined next month, will be sold to Indonesia and Ukraine), and Sinopharm's inactivated virus vaccine which is currently in phase 3 trials and has reported no serious side effects.

All these vaccines have passed their phase 1 and 2 trials, which means there are no serious side effects and they are all effective at producing an immune response.

Thanks for the layout... the whole Corona shitfest is just too "clouded" for my liking... - not taking any vaccines related to it.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Amazing to see people say they won't take these vaccines without knowing the details of their efficacy and study results.

Russia's main vaccine was developed by the Gamaleya Institute and is a combination of adenoviruses that hosts inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus, that work together to ensure that the immune system creates antibodies and doesn't try to fight the vaccine itself. Efficacy is over 91%, and phase 1, 2, and 3 human trials went fairly well. No serious side effects have been found. A fourth trial of 31,000 participants is underway, but the vaccine is already available under an emergency rollout clause.

Gamaleya is recommending that their Sputnik-V vaccine be supplemented by the Oxford-Zeneca vaccine to cover any potential differences in spike proteins. Argentina has approved it for early use for first-line and healthcare workers. Another Russian-made vaccine, EpiVacCorona, is in phase 3 trials and targets spike proteins.

China has several vaccines in development both internally and outside the country, and in different trial stages. This includes Convidecia (by CanSino Biologics, unknown efficacy but trials will complete soon), BBIBP-CorV (by the Beijing Institute of Biological Products, 86% efficacy), CoronaVac by Sinovac Biotech (efficacy will be determined next month, will be sold to Indonesia and Ukraine), and Sinopharm's inactivated virus vaccine which is currently in phase 3 trials and has reported no serious side effects.

All these vaccines have passed their phase 1 and 2 trials, which means there are no serious side effects and they are all effective at producing an immune response.

That's all nice and good but I don't you understand my principle objection - trust. I simply don't believe the stuff coming out of these countries. Remember Chernobyl was partially caused by the culture of the Soviet Union which encouraged cover ups and the like.

 

[MiW]

Amazing to see people say they won't take these vaccines without knowing the details of their efficacy and study results.

Russia's main vaccine was developed by the Gamaleya Institute and is a combination of adenoviruses that hosts inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus, that work together to ensure that the immune system creates antibodies and doesn't try to fight the vaccine itself. Efficacy is over 91%, and phase 1, 2, and 3 human trials went fairly well. No serious side effects have been found. A fourth trial of 31,000 participants is underway, but the vaccine is already available under an emergency rollout clause.

Gamaleya is recommending that their Sputnik-V vaccine be supplemented by the Oxford-Zeneca vaccine to cover any potential differences in spike proteins. Argentina has approved it for early use for first-line and healthcare workers. Another Russian-made vaccine, EpiVacCorona, is in phase 3 trials and targets spike proteins.

China has several vaccines in development both internally and outside the country, and in different trial stages. This includes Convidecia (by CanSino Biologics, unknown efficacy but trials will complete soon), BBIBP-CorV (by the Beijing Institute of Biological Products, 86% efficacy), CoronaVac by Sinovac Biotech (efficacy will be determined next month, will be sold to Indonesia and Ukraine), and Sinopharm's inactivated virus vaccine which is currently in phase 3 trials and has reported no serious side effects.

All these vaccines have passed their phase 1 and 2 trials, which means there are no serious side effects and they are all effective at producing an immune response.

2 hours ago (07:39 GMT)

China grants ‘conditional’ approval to its first COVID vaccine​

China has granted “conditional” market approval to a Sinopharm vaccine with a reported 79-percent efficacy, health authorities said on Thursday, a major stride towards inoculating the world’s largest population.


The Sinopharm jab, which surged ahead of a raft of Chinese competitors during phase-three trials, has an efficacy rate lower than rival jabs developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna – with 95 and 94 percent rates respectively.


About 4.5 million doses of largely unproven emergency vaccines made domestically have already been given to health workers and other workers destined for overseas jobs, according to authorities.

 

[CataclysmZA]

They might be even better than, pfizer, but how can anyone trust anything coming from Russian and Chinese governments?

Many of the vaccines have publicly available results from their studies that you can read. Several of the vaccine trials in other countries also publish their results, so you can take multiple studies of the same thing into account if need be.

For example, BBIBP-CorV's trial in China showed efficacy of around 79%, but a trial for the same vaccine run by the UAE with 31,000 respondents showed a higher efficacy of 86%.

UAE Ministry of Health and Prevention announces official registration of inactivated COVID-19 vaccine used in #4Humanity Trials

ABU DHABI, 9th December, 2020 (WAM) -- The UAE’s Ministry of Health and Prevention, MOHAP, has announced the official registration of Beijing Institute of Biological Product’s inactivated COVID-19 vaccine in a major step towards combating the global pandemic. The registration of this vaccine is...

www.wam.ae

You can see more details here, if you open this link in an InPrivate or Incognito window: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

 

[andydinsmore]

Looking more and more like Tiffany Dover, the hot Stateside nurse who fainted on live TV after recieving the 'vaccine', is now dead.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whereistiffanydover&src=typed_query&f=live

 

[andydinsmore]

As is this Israeli / Swiss victim.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Do not take this vaccine.

 

[Azg]

Does anyone remembers what SA needed to pay for the vaccines for 3-10% of the population? AZ vaccine comes to around R50 a shot, and I have the feeling we will be paying ridiculously inflated prices.

$128 million (approx R2 billion) to cover 10% of the population.

The 15% down payment which has caused so much noise was $19.2 million.

 

[MiW]

$128 million (approx R2 billion) to cover 10% of the population.

The 15% down payment which has caused so much noise was $19.2 million.

so around R300 per person
To much for AZ , to little for pfizer

 

[zoozi]

Looking more and more like Tiffany Dover, the hot Stateside nurse who fainted on live TV after recieving the 'vaccine', is now dead.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whereistiffanydover&src=typed_query&f=live

Nurse who fainted after COVID-19 vaccine shot is not dead - Australian Associated Press

Memorial groups have been set up for Tennessee nurse Tiffany Dover - despite her being alive and well.

www.aap.com.au

Fact Check: CHI Memorial nurse who fainted after COVID-19 vaccination 'doing fine'

Channel 3 spoke with Tiffany Dover after she fainted, and she told us she has an overactive vagal response and is known to faint after shots.

www.wrcbtv.com

 

[Grant]

I believe they are looking at it - wasn’t minister of health quoted as saying we have manufacturing capabilities here too?

honestly I think COVAX is also a bit of a “we better do this to look like we’re supporting WHO and playing well with the others” move. There are other plans in progress in govt and private sector and a combo of the two.

Aspen will be manufacturing locally on behalf of Janssen / Johnson and Johnson

 

[MiW]

Aspen will be manufacturing locally on behalf of Janssen / Johnson and Johnson

...and will take them a year to start production line

 

[neoprema]

...and will take them a year to start production line

I believe they already have the production line. But only for "normal" vaccines not the fancy Pfizer/Moderna ones. So the Oxford one I believe (stand corrected) we could produce here?

 

[Grant]

Ok thanks for the information - I thought given the proximity to the US - the storage requirements not withstanding - they would be administering the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. I will certainly not be taking any vaccine produced in Russia or China.

The Oxford vaccine looks most promising for us in SA in terms of cost and storage requirements.

I think the Johnson & Johnson one may be better in that it is a single dose.
Not sure of the costing comparison, but a single dose vaccine would be easier to roll out given the demographics and state of healthcare in this country

 

[Grant]

...and will take them a year to start production line

They will be using their existing facility in Port Elizabeth

 

[neoprema]

As is this Israeli / Swiss victim.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Do not take this vaccine.

There are people who had bad side effects from Polio vaccines too. Should we re-introduce Polio and stop vaccinations? There's always a small % of risk in any vaccine. It should not excuse the 99% who will benefit from it. Also, people have a choice not to accept it if they feel the vaccine poses a higher risk than COVID-19, but lets not Karen-ize what is a very good vaccine considering the time it took to make it.

 

[Grant]

As is this Israeli / Swiss victim.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Do not take this vaccine.

Henceforth ye shall be known as
KatieKakpraat.

 

[MiW]

They will be using their existing facility in Port Elizabeth

Yes, in some news article it said will take them a year to start production.J&J tried with single dose and it seems that they didn't like the results much , so Dec they started a new trial in USA with double dose ... if I remember correctly.