South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[andydinsmore]

Henceforth ye shall be known as
KatieKakpraat.

you really are as dumb as chalk eh.
It was never about your health.
It is about creating fear, anxiety, panic.
oh look, empty hospitals UK-side, contrary to the official 'narrative'

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344297449435914242

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Any pics of overflowing hospitals in SA?
Thought not

 

[KantSnyer]

you really are as dumb as chalk eh.
It was never about your health.
It is about creating fear, anxiety, panic.
oh look, empty hospitals UK-side, contrary to the official 'narrative'

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344297449435914242

.
Any pics of overflowing hospitals in SA?
Thought not

Your first conspiracy theory gets debunked, no attempt to explain it away just dig another one out of your tinfoil covered twitter hat and claim he's dumb as chalk.

 

[cr@zydude]

Yes and EWN again 'forgot' to mention this to their audience although I note people in the comments have wised up to the media's fear-mongering agenda:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344531676819566593

Backlogs and then a rush of results have been the norm from day 1, but it is nothing to do with fear mongering. Fewer samples are taken ad tested on weekends than on weekdays, Christmas exacerbated this.

No single datapoint is perfect, so look at 7-day rolling averages to smooth it out. On a 7-day rolling average we are clearly rising and above our previous high in July.

 

[andydinsmore]

Your first conspiracy theory gets debunked, no attempt to explain it away just dig another one out of your tinfoil covered twitter hat and claim he's dumb as chalk.

De-bunked? The woman who feinted post injection has clearly abandoned her once active social media accounts. There are multiple reports of her demise. Your 'fact checkers' are chinese run tools of social media control. Oh but perhaps you should 'fact check' that eh haha.

 

[IdlePhaedrus]

WC's Winde warns worst of COVID-19 second wave yet to come

Western Cape Premier Alan Winde said that their job was made all the more difficult by the many questions that remained about the virus.

ewn.co.za

This is a bit odd given the WC's own dashboard which indicates things stabilising pretty much throughout the province on both case and death numbers. I think these go up to the 28th, so perhaps he has newer numbers to hand given Christmas day festivities, but when I look at these charts it would appear we are "turning the corner":

 

[Polymathic]

Is South Africa going to manufacture any of the Oxford-Astra Zeneca vaccine? As far as I can tell, it will be manufactured under licence all over the place, including South America. Can our pharmaceutical companies not also manufacture it?

There's already 2 billion doses produced and seeing that UK approved the vaccine recently and there's a trial underway in South Africa band the vaccine costs $4 -$8 a dose , this is the best bet for a vaccine for South Africa

 

[Polymathic]

Is South Africa going to manufacture any of the Oxford-Astra Zeneca vaccine? As far as I can tell, it will be manufactured under licence all over the place, including South America. Can our pharmaceutical companies not also manufacture it?

There's already 2 billion doses produced and seeing that UK approved the vaccine recently and there's a trial underway in South Africa band the vaccine costs $4 -$8 a dose , this is the best bet for a vaccine for South Africa

 

[MiW]

you really are as dumb as chalk eh.
It was never about your health.
It is about creating fear, anxiety, panic.
oh look, empty hospitals UK-side, contrary to the official 'narrative'

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344297449435914242

.
Any pics of overflowing hospitals in SA?
Thought not

Eish, you telling a person who works in a hospital, how things are inside .... and calling Him dumb...

 

[MiW]

WC's Winde warns worst of COVID-19 second wave yet to come

Western Cape Premier Alan Winde said that their job was made all the more difficult by the many questions that remained about the virus.

ewn.co.za

This is a bit odd given the WC's own dashboard which indicates things stabilising pretty much throughout the province on both case and death numbers. I think these go up to the 28th, so perhaps he has newer numbers to hand given Christmas day festivities, but when I look at these charts it would appear we are "turning the corner":

He might've meant the deaths which come later?

 

[IdlePhaedrus]

He might've meant the deaths which come later?

Dunno, could also be a data lag given the time of year. But the charts do give one a little hope for the new year, albeit slight.

 

[IdlePhaedrus]

There's already 2 billion doses produced and seeing that UK approved the vaccine recently and there's a trial underway in South Africa band the vaccine costs $4 -$8 a dose , this is the best bet for a vaccine for South Africa

I agree on this, but the Sinopharm vaccine is also an option to my mind. Morocco has already secured both, and are likely to have a fair whack of their population inoculated before we even get any, which is why people are getting a bit antsy about what our government is doing about it:

Morocco acquires 65 million COVID-19 vaccine doses from China, UK

The North African kingdom is preparing to launch a COVID-19 vaccination program aiming to immunize 80 percent of the country's adult population.

www.pbs.org

We particularly are not leveraging our participation in trials or bilateral partnerships to achieve this end. There is an opinion piece on this here:

OPINIONISTA: We need a Covid-19 vaccine now: It is time to make our BRICS membership count

There is a global race to procure Covid-19 vaccines, and right now South Africa is not doing well. Currently, the race leaders are Israel, which has already vaccinated more than 9% of its population, and Bahrain, which has vaccinated almost 4% of its population. In total, 34 countries have begun...

www.dailymaverick.co.za

Also, as far as I understand it we have not had vaccine production capability in South Africa since the Dawn of Democracy, and putting one in place will take about three to four years. The facility in the Eastern Cape will only be doing bottling essentially:

Covid-19: What local vaccine production actually means | Life

South Africa is set to produce its first vaccine in 25 years, but it won’t be a Covid-19 jab. Plans are however in place to “fill and finish” Covid-19 vaccines in the country.

www.news24.com

 

[andydinsmore]

Eish, you telling a person who works in a hospital, how things are inside .... and calling Him dumb...

There is clear video evidence that the official UK narrative of 'overflowing hospitals' is at least partly incorrect. The further fact that this video evidence led to the arrest of the person filming just adds to the perception of a cover-up.

The South African official narrative appears based on even more flimsy statistics, judging by the commentary on this site.

But perhaps I am wrong by coming to this conclusion. Perhaps we have health care workers here who can attest to the overflowing wards and even better, have still or moving images to create more faith in the official narrative.

I stand to be corrected.

 

[KantSnyer]

De-bunked? The woman who feinted post injection has clearly abandoned her once active social media accounts. There are multiple reports of her demise. Your 'fact checkers' are chinese run tools of social media control. Oh but perhaps you should 'fact check' that eh haha.
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No activity on her social media accounts? Overwhelming evidence thanks for that you've converted me

 

[Grant]

you really are as dumb as chalk eh.
It was never about your health.
It is about creating fear, anxiety, panic.
oh look, empty hospitals UK-side, contrary to the official 'narrative'

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344297449435914242

.
Any pics of overflowing hospitals in SA?
Thought not

You're an utter prick that knows fukkall.
Again tonight, I'll be amongst the scared, lonely, sick and dying.
What will you be doing - reading zero hedge watching Alex Jones then sprouting schit again?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Backlogs and then a rush of results have been the norm from day 1, but it is nothing to do with fear mongering. Fewer samples are taken ad tested on weekends than on weekdays, Christmas exacerbated this.

No single datapoint is perfect, so look at 7-day rolling averages to smooth it out. On a 7-day rolling average we are clearly rising and above our previous high in July.

While that is true, the fact that the NICD put on a special notice that yesterday's data reflected 6 days worth of specimens suggest that yesterday's figure can't truly be compared to other recent figures. Of course we now have today and tomorrow (public holiday) which will likely lead to delays in processing some time next week as well, so figures should be more comparable from let's say, the 5th or 6th of January.

 

[Lupus]

There are people who had bad side effects from Polio vaccines too. Should we re-introduce Polio and stop vaccinations? There's always a small % of risk in any vaccine. It should not excuse the 99% who will benefit from it. Also, people have a choice not to accept it if they feel the vaccine poses a higher risk than COVID-19, but lets not Karen-ize what is a very good vaccine considering the time it took to make it.

He's also talking out his rear, Tiffany Dover is fine

 

[Grant]

Perhaps we have health care workers here who can attest to the overflowing wards and even better, have still or moving images to create more faith in the official narrative.

I stand to be corrected.

You may recall this :


Now Google the name in the address list



Now, what would you like to know?

I can categorically tell you state hospitals were operating beyond capacity in W/C, prior to covid.
They were always understaffed, under equipped and overcrowded, pre covid.
Private hospitals were fine, but most had certain fields of medicine at their core.
Chris Barnard hospital as an example, is geared towards cardiac work - not infectious disease. Many are trying to repurpose to cope

 

[cr@zydude]

While that is true, the fact that the NICD put on a special notice that yesterday's data reflected 6 days worth of specimens suggest that yesterday's figure can't truly be compared to other recent figures. Of course we now have today and tomorrow (public holiday) which will likely lead to delays in processing some time next week as well, so figures should be more comparable from let's say, the 5th or 6th of January.

Most nightly updates would includes positives from samples taken over the previous 2 or 3 days. What matters to me is that the total number of positives identified in SA increased by 17 710 yesterday, regardless of when the sample was taken.

We should never compare 1 specific day to another, as there are always daily idiosyncrasies.

 

[Grant]

There are people who had bad side effects from Polio vaccines too. Should we re-introduce Polio and stop vaccinations? There's always a small % of risk in any vaccine. It should not excuse the 99% who will benefit from it. Also, people have a choice not to accept it if they feel the vaccine poses a higher risk than COVID-19, but lets not Karen-ize what is a very good vaccine considering the time it took to make it.

I can't see the govt mandating vaccination.
One has the right to refuse medical treatment. When govt mandates some form of treatment they simultaneously assume risk and liability related to that treatment.
My guess is it will be strongly encouraged - perhaps some form of incentive could pave the way

 

[CataclysmZA]

There's already 2 billion doses produced and seeing that UK approved the vaccine recently and there's a trial underway in South Africa band the vaccine costs $4 -$8 a dose , this is the best bet for a vaccine for South Africa

AFAIK, Oxford said recently that they can commit to between 100 and 200m doses a month. They can't have manufactured two billion at this point, even with distributed manufacturing through licensing the vaccine to multiple countries.