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neoprema said:
There are people who had bad side effects from Polio vaccines too. Should we re-introduce Polio and stop vaccinations? There's always a small % of risk in any vaccine.
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Yes, but the early dangerous polio vaccine doesn't help your argument in favour of jumping in with both feet now.

neoprema said:
It should not excuse the 99% who will benefit from it. Also, people have a choice not to accept it if they feel the vaccine poses a higher risk than COVID-19, but lets not Karen-ize what is a very good vaccine considering the time it took to make it.
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There should be no caveat attached. Considering the time it took is exactly the issue.

All evidence points to COVID-19 being pretty low risk. We'll have to wait to see what the risk is for the various vaccines.
 
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Lupus said:
Honestly that looks like the last time I went to a public hospital with my gran 4 years ago now. We were there for a checkup, watched them wheel a guy in with a GSW. About an hour later he was dead, not even had a nurse or a doctor come passed him and this was a Monday morning.
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It's so hideously bad - back in 2017 already, both groote schuur and Somerset hospital had a 3 to 4 day wait for a bed in a ward - resulting in patients having to sleep in passages and on the floor
 
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Grant said:
It's so hideously bad - back in 2017 already, both groote schuur and Somerset hospital had a 3 to 4 day wait for a bed in a ward - resulting in patients having to sleep in passages and on the floor
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Yeah this was Joburg Gen even. Even when my wife went to Helen Joseph in 2007 before her medical aid kicked in. It was pretty bad as well, we arrived at 6am, she got a bed at midnight, 18 hours of sitting in the waiting room.
 
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andydinsmore said:
You are possibly correct. However, the Gloucester Royal Infirmary is a respected and sizeable NHS concern and the lack of patients we see in this video raises questions.
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Even hospitals in SA have closed non-COVID wards that aren't in use so that staff can be reallocated. I took a friend into Greenacres for surgery in November, there were signs and nurses telling us where not to go because it was a COVID ward.

All the inpatients who weren't positive were put on wards that were all on the same floor. The rest of the hospital was dead quiet.

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The first being that it appears to be at odds with an official narrative.
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The official narrative is that hospitals are struggling to support COVID patients in high care and ICU wards.

None of the wards or the entire wing this dumbass was in is a high care or ICU ward.

It's not surprising she couldn't video COVID wards. She's wearing heels, she has no PPE, and she's not a hospital employee.

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And the source is arrested?
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For committing a public order offense. And maybe trespassing will be tacked on.

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Stop being such a blithering idiot. Use your brain cells for more useful endeavours.
 
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Lupus said:
Honestly that looks like the last time I went to a public hospital with my gran 4 years ago now. We were there for a checkup, watched them wheel a guy in with a GSW. About an hour later he was dead, not even had a nurse or a doctor come passed him and this was a Monday morning.
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My big gripe is many patients do not know their rights, and private hospitals take full advantage of this.

A couple of months back I went to visit a friend who works in casualty at Somerset hospital. I go thru the waiting area and there is an old lady, about 75 or so in a wheelchair. About an hour later I leave and notice her still in the same spot, but now I can she is in pain and quietly crying.
I go over to her and ask her what is wrong. "My toes" she says pointing at her one foot. I look down to see all her toes are black (gangrene).
I ask her if she is on medical aid. She tells me she is on transmed. State hospitals are transmed's dsp.
I bundle her into my car and head for Cape Town mediclinic.
We get there and mediclinic try tell us transmed won't pay.

I tell the idiot at the hospital there are 2 things at play here :
1) a private hospital is obliged to treat any patient who presents with a life threatening condition - and gangrene is very much threatening.
2) all medical schemes are obliged to pay for treatment at any non dsp hospital if the patient has a life threatening condition and that condition is also on the pmb list.

The gormless mediclinic staffer just stares at me.
I snap.
I bark at a porter and tell him to take the lady to casualty now - with that I glare at the staffer and tell her I will have the police there to arrest her general manager in the morning if they do not commence treatment immediately.
With that, I tell her to get to her phone and call transmed and request a 48hr admission authorisation for infection control and diagnostic testing.
Transmed then also confirm they will give full authorisation for admission, surgery and in house diagnostic testing if in fact it is gangrene they are dealing with.
Authorisation came thru about 20 mins later.

The entire situation with private hospitals is diabolical and some serious leglatative changes are needed.
Mediclinic would have been quite happy to turn the old lady away.

A few yrs back a 16yr old jumped from the roof of an 8 storey building, landing about 20m from me.
I call ER24, first thing they want to know is about medical aid.
Again I lose it, screaming at her asking if she has lost her fukking mind and has now gone insane.
A whole fleet of ambulances arrived from everywhere
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Grant said:
My big gripe is many patients do not know their rights, and private hospitals take full advantage of this.

A couple of months back I went to visit a friend who works in casualty at Somerset hospital. I go thru the waiting area and there is an old lady, about 75 or so in a wheelchair. About an hour later I leave and notice her still in the same spot, but now I can she is in pain and quietly crying.
I go over to her and ask her what is wrong. "My toes" she says pointing at her one foot. I look down to see all her toes are black (gangrene).
I ask her if she is on medical aid. She tells me she is on transmed. State hospitals are transmed's dsp.
I bundle her into my car and head for Cape Town mediclinic.
We get there and mediclinic try tell us transmed won't pay.

I tell the idiot at the hospital there are 2 things at play here :
1) a private hospital is obliged to treat any patient who presents with a life threatening condition - and gangrene is very much threatening.
2) all medical schemes are obliged to pay for treatment at any non dsp hospital if the patient has a life threatening condition and that condition is also on the pmb list.

The gormless mediclinic staffer just stares at me.
I snap.
I bark at a porter and tell him to take the lady to casualty now - with that I glare at the staffer and tell her I will have the police there to arrest her general manager in the morning if they do not commence treatment immediately.
With that, I tell her to get to her phone and call transmed and request a 48hr admission authorisation for infection control and diagnostic testing.
Transmed then also confirm they will give full authorisation for admission, surgery and in house diagnostic testing if in fact it is gangrene they are dealing with.
Authorisation came thru about 20 mins later.

The entire situation with private hospitals is diabolical and some serious leglatative changes are needed.
Mediclinic would have been quite happy to turn the old lady away.

A few yrs back a 16yr old jumped from the roof of an 8 storey building, landing about 20m from me.
I call ER24, first thing they want to know is about medical aid.
Again I lose it, screaming at her asking if she has lost her fukking mind and has now gone insane.
A whole fleet of ambulances arrived from everywhere
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You can't blame private hospitals for this. What must they do? This world is based on economy and those with money getting something those without don't.

Are we saying its any better that the person who pays R8000 a month to Discovery should be turned away from the private hospital because they're too full with the thousands of non-paying patients they're forced to help? Private hospitals exist for the few who can afford to pay for them. The fact that they offer FAR FAR superior care than government hospitals is not a reason to downgrade them to match, its a reason for Government to stop squandering money and build and manage proper Government hospitals. There should be no reason Joburg Gen can't be just like Netcare Sunninghill on a larger scale with all the billions of Rands Govt gets.
 
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The good doctors . specialists and surgeons have left South Africa. All we have left is the crap of the crop and abysmal treatment at outrageous cost.
 
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neoprema said:
You can't blame private hospitals for this. What must they do? This world is based on economy and those with money getting something those without don't.

Are we saying its any better that the person who pays R8000 a month to Discovery should be turned away from the private hospital because they're too full with the thousands of non-paying patients they're forced to help? Private hospitals exist for the few who can afford to pay for them. The fact that they offer FAR FAR superior care than government hospitals is not a reason to downgrade them to match, its a reason for Government to stop squandering money and build and manage proper Government hospitals. There should be no reason Joburg Gen can't be just like Netcare Sunninghill on a larger scale with all the billions of Rands Govt gets.
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Well, let's just hope you are not in a serious car accident and are unable to tell the paramedics you are on medical aid and they send you off to an inferior state hospital - out of their fear you will add to the thousands of non paying patients
 
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