South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[Botha22]

The good doctors . specialists and surgeons have left South Africa. All we have left is the crap of the crop and abysmal treatment at outrageous cost.

Fake news.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The good doctors . specialists and surgeons have left South Africa. All we have left is the crap of the crop and abysmal treatment at outrageous cost.

Private sector medical professionals in SA can easily have a higher standard of living than if they went to the UK and worked for the NHS with their salary caps and all that malarkey associated with government bureaucracies.

 

[sand_man]

Wow, what bad fortune!

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meh, just the flu bro...

 

[sand_man]

/snip

God bless you son, really, God bless you....

 

[andydinsmore]

Even hospitals in SA have closed non-COVID wards that aren't in use so that staff can be reallocated. I took a friend into Greenacres for surgery in November, there were signs and nurses telling us where not to go because it was a COVID ward.

All the inpatients who weren't positive were put on wards that were all on the same floor. The rest of the hospital was dead quiet.



The official narrative is that hospitals are struggling to support COVID patients in high care and ICU wards.

None of the wards or the entire wing this dumbass was in is a high care or ICU ward.

It's not surprising she couldn't video COVID wards. She's wearing heels, she has no PPE, and she's not a hospital employee.



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Stop being such a blithering idiot. Use your brain cells for more useful endeavours.

Well OK, your analysis is useful and thank you for it. I had hoped that workers in SA healthcare could educate us here at MB, as to what is the real situation is, regarding the load from new covid infections in an already overstretched public healthcare system. But your analysis will have to do.

I hoped to initiate this debate for a reason. As you so rigourously point out, the rights of patients to have their privacy protected is important. But the human rights of the entire population, enshrined in the SA constitution, are currently severely eroded under lockdown regulations. The justification for much of this gov. lockdown policy requires a clear and present threat to our public healthcare. Which is what I, by posting that tweet, hoped to learn more of. We are being asked to give up a lot, and this rapidly changing narrative needs that light of enquiry.

As an aside, I have been communicating with my niece who has recently been working on a covid ward at the Exeter hospital, as part of her first year after becoming an MD. She told me that the patients admitted had all tested positive but were asymptomatic, requiring treatment for other medical conditions. I asked how many deaths she saw in her two weeks. Two, she told me, one a 94 and one an 88 year old.

Covid is a real and dangerous disease. Can that justify removing all our civil rights, even that to provide for ourselves and families? We must all expect a high standard of evidence and enquiry when asked to acquiesce to this.

 

[Forum Reader]

My big gripe is many patients do not know their rights, and private hospitals take full advantage of this.

A couple of months back I went to visit a friend who works in casualty at Somerset hospital. I go thru the waiting area and there is an old lady, about 75 or so in a wheelchair. About an hour later I leave and notice her still in the same spot, but now I can she is in pain and quietly crying.
I go over to her and ask her what is wrong. "My toes" she says pointing at her one foot. I look down to see all her toes are black (gangrene).
I ask her if she is on medical aid. She tells me she is on transmed. State hospitals are transmed's dsp.
I bundle her into my car and head for Cape Town mediclinic.
We get there and mediclinic try tell us transmed won't pay.

I tell the idiot at the hospital there are 2 things at play here :
1) a private hospital is obliged to treat any patient who presents with a life threatening condition - and gangrene is very much threatening.
2) all medical schemes are obliged to pay for treatment at any non dsp hospital if the patient has a life threatening condition and that condition is also on the pmb list.

The gormless mediclinic staffer just stares at me.
I snap.
I bark at a porter and tell him to take the lady to casualty now - with that I glare at the staffer and tell her I will have the police there to arrest her general manager in the morning if they do not commence treatment immediately.
With that, I tell her to get to her phone and call transmed and request a 48hr admission authorisation for infection control and diagnostic testing.
Transmed then also confirm they will give full authorisation for admission, surgery and in house diagnostic testing if in fact it is gangrene they are dealing with.
Authorisation came thru about 20 mins later.

The entire situation with private hospitals is diabolical and some serious leglatative changes are needed.
Mediclinic would have been quite happy to turn the old lady away.

A few yrs back a 16yr old jumped from the roof of an 8 storey building, landing about 20m from me.
I call ER24, first thing they want to know is about medical aid.
Again I lose it, screaming at her asking if she has lost her fukking mind and has now gone insane.
A whole fleet of ambulances arrived from everywhere
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Private hospitals are a business and they need some sort of assurance that they will get paid for their services. Would you do some contract work for a week without knowing if you were going to get paid for that weeks work? Doubt it.

 

[MiW]

Can that justify removing all our civil rights, even that to provide for ourselves and families? We must all expect a high standard of evidence and enquiry when asked to acquiesce to this.

When I see comment like this, it becomes crystal clear that you never had to put up with your civil rights being taken.
But if you can please humor me, and tell me which rights are you not having today, so I can understand better your plight.

 

[andydinsmore]

When I see comment like this, it becomes crystal clear that you never had to put up with your civil rights being taken.
But if you can please humor me, and tell me which rights are you not having today, so I can understand better your plight.

Well, let's start with our New Year eh. Whilst watching NYE celebrations last night I was struck by the joyous crouds in North Korea, cheering the fireworks at midnight. Compare that with the rather sad single masked ENCA rep. at the CT Waterfront. That would be a right to free assembly denied by mandatory curfew. You happy with that?

 

[Grant]

Well OK, your analysis is useful and thank you for it. I had hoped that workers in SA healthcare could educate us here at MB, as to what is the real situation is, regarding the load from new covid infections in an already overstretched public healthcare system. But your analysis will have to do.

I hoped to initiate this debate for a reason. As you so rigourously point out, the rights of patients to have their privacy protected is important. But the human rights of the entire population, enshrined in the SA constitution, are currently severely eroded under lockdown regulations. The justification for much of this gov. lockdown policy requires a clear and present threat to our public healthcare. Which is what I, by posting that tweet, hoped to learn more of. We are being asked to give up a lot, and this rapidly changing narrative needs that light of enquiry.

As an aside, I have been communicating with my niece who has recently been working on a covid ward at the Exeter hospital, as part of her first year after becoming an MD. She told me that the patients admitted had all tested positive but were asymptomatic, requiring treatment for other medical conditions. I asked how many deaths she saw in her two weeks. Two, she told me, one a 94 and one an 88 year old.

Covid is a real and dangerous disease. Can that justify removing all our civil rights, even that to provide for ourselves and families? We must all expect a high standard of evidence and enquiry when asked to acquiesce to this.

Just how many critically ill and dead people would it require to satisfy you.

Governments across the world have had to resort to draconian measures like lockdowns, in order to save their greater healthy populations from becoming sick. Its for the protection of the healthy. The other aspect is to buy a little time for the healthcare sector to get up to speed.

People will scream with their shrill voices about their "civil rights" being eroded as a result of governments implementing measures to mitigate the risk of those very same people from becoming ill
Then when they do get ill they complain about the healthcare system.

But of civil rights, whose are of more importance - my right go for drinks at Caprice with buddies and not be compelled to stay home by govt, or maybe the right of a nurse to life, by not continually exposing her to an overwhelming amount of contagious people.
Who has the greater right, me to cross the road with the expectation that drivers will stop for me, or drivers who will expect you to allow them to pass before venturing onto the road.

The right to health is also enshrined in the constitution - so how does any government try uphold that right in the face of an infection that has swept across the planet as a result of people "cross - pollinating each other.

Of Exeter hospital, either your doctor niece, or you, is being willfully economical with the truth - I have my own suspicions as to who.

The hospital has now seen 155 Covid-related deaths since the start of the pandemic.

Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital on 'black alert' after struggling with coronavirus demands​

 

[Grant]

Well, let's start with our New Year eh. Whilst watching NYE celebrations last night I was struck by the joyous crouds in North Korea, cheering the fireworks at midnight. Compare that with the rather sad single masked ENCA rep. at the CT Waterfront. That would be a right to free assembly denied by mandatory curfew. You happy with that?

North Korea ???
You should see the crowds wailing with joy as they throw themselves to the ground as a sign of respect to dear leader.
That pales in comparison with a state funeral, where the population succumbs to near suicidal despair - again throwing themselves to the ground, this time in anguish

 

[MiW]

Well, let's start with our New Year eh. Whilst watching NYE celebrations last night I was struck by the joyous crouds in North Korea, cheering the fireworks at midnight. Compare that with the rather sad single masked ENCA rep. at the CT Waterfront. That would be a right to free assembly denied by mandatory curfew. You happy with that?

So your civil rights requires you to get fireworks
Btw , I got plenty fireworks for 6 hours last night , infringing on my civil rights of peaceful night.

 

[andydinsmore]

Well, let's start with our New Year eh. Whilst watching NYE celebrations last night I was struck by the joyous crouds in North Korea, cheering the fireworks at midnight. Compare that with the rather sad single masked ENCA rep. at the CT Waterfront. That would be a right to free assembly denied by mandatory curfew. You happy with that?

Sorry, the wife pointed out it was a Newsroom Afrika rep.

 

[lumeer]

The good doctors . specialists and surgeons have left South Africa. All we have left is the crap of the crop and abysmal treatment at outrageous cost.

Rubbish.

 

[andydinsmore]

So your civil rights requires you to get fireworks
Btw , I got plenty fireworks for 6 hours last night , infringing on my civil rights of peaceful night.

Yes our dogs had to sleep on the bed last night too.
You seem to have trouble focussing, so I will repeat.
The Right to Free Assembly denied by a mandatory curfew. Infringing too on the right to work in all industries affected by this mandatory curfew.

 

[MiW]

Yes our dogs had to sleep on the bed last night too.
You seem to have trouble focussing, so I will repeat.
The Right to Free Assembly denied by a mandatory curfew. Infringing too on the right to work in all industries affected by this mandatory curfew.

I Asked how did it affect you personally right now, you chose to mention not having fireworks to look at.
Focus on my question.

 

[CataclysmZA]

I had hoped that workers in SA healthcare could educate us here at MB, as to what is the real situation is, regarding the load from new covid infections in an already overstretched public healthcare system.

You could ask our resident paramedic, but I don't think he has much patience for dumb questions.

As you so rigourously point out, the rights of patients to have their privacy protected is important.

No I didn't. But I agree, the right to privacy is important.

But the human rights of the entire population, enshrined in the SA constitution, are currently severely eroded under lockdown regulations. The justification for much of this gov. lockdown policy requires a clear and present threat to our public healthcare.

Over 150k hospitalised for COVID this year. Morgues overflowing in KZN. Both major medical aid schemes warning their clients that hospitals are under pressure and beds and/or ambulances may not be available. Cape Town ICU over capacity and struggling.

I could go on, but you'd claim this isn't enough to have some rights curbed via lockdown in order to protect our healthcare system from collapsing.

Which is what I, by posting that tweet, hoped to learn more of. We are being asked to give up a lot, and this rapidly changing narrative needs that light of enquiry.

No you didn't. The narrative hasn't changed, only the urgency with which government is asking people to reduce contact with others.

You said that @Mirai was "dumb as chalk". You said, "It was never about your health. It is about creating fear, anxiety, panic."

You said: "Any pics of overflowing hospitals in SA? Thought not"

You're not looking for the truth, and you're not particularly interested in pictures of overfull COVID wards. You just want others to feel as uncomfortable as you do about not having control over the situation. Your mind was made up already when you wrote that.

As an aside, I have been communicating with my niece who has recently been working on a covid ward at the Exeter hospital, as part of her first year after becoming an MD. She told me that the patients admitted had all tested positive but were asymptomatic, requiring treatment for other medical conditions. I asked how many deaths she saw in her two weeks. Two, she told me, one a 94 and one an 88 year old.

Seems like a small outfit.

Exeter Hospital - About Us

www.exeterhospital.com

Her particular ward might just not be that busy.

Exeter Hospital - COVID-19

www.exeterhospital.com

Looks like they closed a bunch of elective procedures and services and closed unnecessary stuff like the cafeteria.

Maybe they just have low amount of ICU beds.

Exeter Hospital - ICU Transfers <br /> (833) ICU-EXTR

www.exeterhospital.com

Looks like it.

We must all expect a high standard of evidence and enquiry when asked to acquiesce to this.

Then you should be bringing better stuff to the conversation and not drivel produced by Karens who demand attention.

And that includes you.

 

[Grant]

Well, let's start with our New Year eh. Whilst watching NYE celebrations last night I was struck by the joyous crouds in North Korea, cheering the fireworks at midnight. Compare that with the rather sad single masked ENCA rep. at the CT Waterfront. That would be a right to free assembly denied by mandatory curfew. You happy with that?

And in other news :

Even in neighboring Australia, which has not experienced the same scale of covid-19 cases as Western Europe and the Americas, the iconic Sydney New Year’s Eve celebrations were scaled back, and only a few hundred people were allowed into the harbor. Photographs showed areas teeming with people last year now largely empty under new coronavirus-related restrictions.

Security personnel in Tokyo hold signs on New Year's Eve informing the public that there will be no countdown event. (Philip Fong/AFP/Getty Images)
Across much of Asia, there was similar caution. In Japan, where new cases hit a record high on New Year’s Eve, a traditional event with the imperial family has been canceled. Events across China were canceled, while Hong Kong called off its iconic harbor fireworks display and directed restaurants to close by 6 p.m.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/12/31/new-years-eve-around-the-world-2020/%3foutputType=amp

 

[Grant]

Yes our dogs had to sleep on the bed last night too.
You seem to have trouble focussing, so I will repeat.
The Right to Free Assembly denied by a mandatory curfew. Infringing too on the right to work in all industries affected by this mandatory curfew.

Let me help you a little.

The right to free assembly is an item of legislation in this country - and confirmed in the government gazette.

Likewise is the national disaster act - coincidently also confirmed in the government gazette.

 

[Geoff.D]

I still disagree and am not convinced.
Snip.

It's not necessarily true that anything is afoot. Because from the video I saw a waiting room and maybe one ward... and that can all mean that....

1. This hospital's staff have been moved elsewhere as there are shortages in other hospitals.
2. The wing of the hospital has been closed because elective procedures have been cut.
3. The hospital now services non-COVID patients and there are not many of those as they are
In South Africa, the big state hospitals are pleading for medical volunteers. This has NEVER happened before.

I would not take one video as anything. If these were many confirmed videos of ICUs with staff sitting around, with ambulances idling, with crews eating dougnuts from a variety of hospitals then I'd say maybe something is afoot. One video means nothing. We can all find pictures of happy children from London in 1940 and say the Blitz never occurred - it was all a hoax.

Now why would a government bust this woman? Well because she is spreading misinformation. Many people will latch on this video and perhaps break protocols. This is not good and so for public good and order they are doing what they are doing. The UK and Europe don't have as much freedom of speech as the US has and maybe also as SA has.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344893915367940096

Fake news sarcasm

 

[Geoff.D]

Well it was curfew , no one could walk in

Ja they are all still lying at home or in the streets. Let's see what transpires today.