South African Covid-19 News and Discussions 3

[Geoff.D]

You can't blame private hospitals for this. What must they do? This world is based on economy and those with money getting something those without don't.

Are we saying its any better that the person who pays R8000 a month to Discovery should be turned away from the private hospital because they're too full with the thousands of non-paying patients they're forced to help? Private hospitals exist for the few who can afford to pay for them. The fact that they offer FAR FAR superior care than government hospitals is not a reason to downgrade them to match, its a reason for Government to stop squandering money and build and manage proper Government hospitals. There should be no reason Joburg Gen can't be just like Netcare Sunninghill on a larger scale with all the billions of Rands Govt gets.

Damn right you can blame them and ALL hospitals in the country! Poorly trained personnel from the CEO downwards.
The arseholes in charge have NO idea of their responsibilities and obligations and many can't even tell you what laws govern their very existence.
It is all this excuse making we are all doing that allows them get away with it.

 

[Geoff.D]

The good doctors . specialists and surgeons have left South Africa. All we have left is the crap of the crop and abysmal treatment at outrageous cost.

And that too is too convenient and a real insult to those dedicated health practionioners that are doing their jobs.

 

[Geoff.D]

So your civil rights requires you to get fireworks
Btw , I got plenty fireworks for 6 hours last night , infringing on my civil rights of peaceful night.

Ja in PTA East we had to put up with the Mamelodi war till about 2 in the morning, ably assisted by the gradual invasion of our suburbs by the newly rich.

 

[andydinsmore]

Just how many critically ill and dead people would it require to satisfy you.

Governments across the world have had to resort to draconian measures like lockdowns, in order to save their greater healthy populations from becoming sick. Its for the protection of the healthy. The other aspect is to buy a little time for the healthcare sector to get up to speed.

People will scream with their shrill voices about their "civil rights" being eroded as a result of governments implementing measures to mitigate the risk of those very same people from becoming ill
Then when they do get ill they complain about the healthcare system.

But of civil rights, whose are of more importance - my right go for drinks at Caprice with buddies and not be compelled to stay home by govt, or maybe the right of a nurse to life, by not continually exposing her to an overwhelming amount of contagious people.
Who has the greater right, me to cross the road with the expectation that drivers will stop for me, or drivers who will expect you to allow them to pass before venturing onto the road.

The right to health is also enshrined in the constitution - so how does any government try uphold that right in the face of an infection that has swept across the planet as a result of people "cross - pollinating each other.

Of Exeter hospital, either your doctor niece, or you, is being willfully economical with the truth - I have my own suspicions as to who.

The hospital has now seen 155 Covid-related deaths since the start of the pandemic.

Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital on 'black alert' after struggling with coronavirus demands​

I can see that the official narrative is strong in you.

How many deaths would satisfy me? None. No one need ever have died from this, or lost their livelehoods. But your narrative would have otherwise.

As to your healthcare trumping the Right to Free Assembly, well, now let's be honest, the SA constitution does suggest a healthcare provision for it's citizens ne? As we have seen in the EC recently, that provision was, let's say, threadbare, even before the scourge of covid. So why now does 'our health' become the prime motive of government policy?

But that point strays from our subject under discussion. You might be aware, if you have followed international debate, that your c19 'draconian measures' have been flagged as causing as much or even more damage, than the disease they claim to prevent. This is of course a complex debate, which I will not go into further here. Except to point out that punitive lockdowns in Democratic run United States have all resulted in higher official c19 deaths.

As to your rude claim that I or my niece are bering economical with the truth. Well firstly, she was on that ward in early Nov. 2020, not covered by all the stats you flag in your link. And now that I look at the link more carefully i see;

'In the South West, there have been 10 new deaths of people who had tested positive for coronavirus, four of which took place at Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital in Exeter.'

I gently ask that you refer to our conversation I posted earlier as perhaps you did not see my point. My MD niece said that all the patients on her c19 ward were 'positive for c19, but assymptomatic........they were being treated for unrelated medical conditions.... and died at the age of 94 and 88.'

I am not here to dictate viewpoints but to invite y'all to look more closely at what is being communicated here. And why. It is important.

 

[Mirai]

I can see that the official narrative is strong in you.

How many deaths would satisfy me? None. No one need ever have died from this, or lost their livelehoods. But your narrative would have otherwise.

Andy, GSH in Cape Town has built a parallel system to handle COVID and non COVID patients. This is a first. This has never happened before. The state healthcare system in SA is running at full throttle at the best of times but with COVID that's a huge additional load.

Bear in mind also that the situation of the economy would be bad regardless as all foreign tourism would have dried up anyway and our exports would not be as popular abroad even if we didn't do anything. At best you could say internal consumption has been hampered to a degree.

 

[Mirai]

Fake news sarcasm

Ja they are all still lying at home or in the streets. Let's see what transpires today.

Believe it or not but ambulances bring in trauma cases too and they would be operating despite curfews. And people do call those, oh believe me, and often for inappropriate stuff.

Most serious cases are probably brought in by ambulance, the brick to the head and the bleeding scalp from broken beer bottle usually walk in to CHC casualty units in the community. If the CHC can't stitch them up and send them home with panado and a head injury observation letter for a relative, they send them up by ambulance.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

India drug regulator approves AstraZeneca COVID vaccine, country's first - sources

India's drug regulator on Friday approved a coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University for emergency use, two sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

t.co

While here in Mzansi, well, nothing is happening.

 

[IdlePhaedrus]

SA unlikely to get over 10% of population vaccinated for COVID - Madhi

Government said it had now made its first payments to be part of the Covax facility.

ewn.co.za

 

[andydinsmore]

Andy, GSH in Cape Town has built a parallel system to handle COVID and non COVID patients. This is a first. This has never happened before. The state healthcare system in SA is running at full throttle at the best of times but with COVID that's a huge additional load.

Bear in mind also that the situation of the economy would be bad regardless as all foreign tourism would have dried up anyway and our exports would not be as popular abroad even if we didn't do anything. At best you could say internal consumption has been hampered to a degree.

That is impressive Mirai and I admire the efforts at the GSH, world leaders still it seems and the best to them and their patients.

It has been a few years since I visited our local Jhb Gen. I had a few health related research projects with the Charlotte Maxeke over the years but i think all my clinical collaborators have retired now. I would be curious if anyone has up to date info on the caseload from c19 and effects on non c19 related service delivery in JHB too?

 

[Geoff.D]

That is impressive Mirai and I admire the efforts at the GSH, world leaders still it seems and the best to them and their patients.

It has been a few years since I visited our local Jhb Gen. I had a few health related research projects with the Charlotte Maxeke over the years but i think all my clinical collaborators have retired now. I would be curious if anyone has up to date info on the caseload from c19 and effects on non c19 related service delivery in JHB too?

Can't help you there BUT can confirm howbadly JHB GEN is handling patients. My 71-year old cousin has recently been subjected to the chaotic crap process at that hospital.

 

[MiW]

India drug regulator approves AstraZeneca COVID vaccine, country's first - sources

India's drug regulator on Friday approved a coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University for emergency use, two sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

t.co

While here in Mzansi, well, nothing is happening.

This one is a mess to approve, USA expects to do it in April, I think it's all that full dose/ half dose debacle.
UK approved the least effective full dose, and decided to only give the one, and then follow up in 3 months. Doesn't make much sense for me.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344923609144430592

So one of the members of the MAC (or maybe he has left?) gives a sharp retort to Mkhize.

 

[Grant]

I can see that the official narrative is strong in you.

How many deaths would satisfy me? None. No one need ever have died from this, or lost their livelehoods. But your narrative would have otherwise.

As to your healthcare trumping the Right to Free Assembly, well, now let's be honest, the SA constitution does suggest a healthcare provision for it's citizens ne?

Where did I say healthcare trumped free assembly - it seems you make things up as you go along. If you read the post you would have noticed I created a different scenario in which I used a pedestrian and a driver in questioning who's / which rights are more important than others.
Despite that, you still somehow manage to come to the conclusion I have at some point suggested one set of rights should be assigned some higher level of regard than the next.

As we have seen in the EC recently, that provision was, let's say, threadbare, even before the scourge of covid. So why now does 'our health' become the prime motive of government policy?

But that point strays from our subject under discussion. You might be aware, if you have followed international debate, that your c19 'draconian measures' have been flagged as causing as much or even more damage, than the disease they claim to prevent.

I often read of the likes of economists stating lockdowns cause more damage than good.
It's often best to have pilots fly the planes, chefs do the cooking and sailor's steering the fleet - that rather than the carpenter do the sewing and the Baker do the engineering.

This is of course a complex debate, which I will not go into further here. Except to point out that punitive lockdowns in Democratic run United States have all resulted in higher official c19 deaths.

And how did no lockdown work out for Sweden - the bastion of freedoms and individual's rights?

As to your rude claim that I or my niece are bering economical with the truth. Well firstly, she was on that ward in early Nov. 2020, not covered by all the stats you flag in your link. And now that I look at the link more carefully i see;

'In the South West, there have been 10 new deaths of people who had tested positive for coronavirus, four of which took place at Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital in Exeter.'

I gently ask that you refer to our conversation I posted earlier as perhaps you did not see my point. My MD niece said that all the patients on her c19 ward were 'positive for c19, but assymptomatic........they were being treated for unrelated medical conditions.... and died at the age of 94 and 88.'

And yet over 100 have died in the hospital as a result of covid.

I am not here to dictate viewpoints but to invite y'all to look more closely at what is being communicated here. And why. It is important.

 

[neoprema]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344923609144430592

So one of the members of the MAC (or maybe he has left?) gives a sharp retort to Mkhize.

Mkhize has to say that because he's done nothing much about a vaccine other than probably steal money from somewhere in the name of it.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

found this in my SPAM folder, from the City of Cape Town yesterday:

The Alert Level 3 regulations came into effect on Tuesday, 29 December 2020 and will be reviewed on 15 January 2021

so it will take more than 14 days to review regulations that specifically mention a 14 day prohibition on certain things?!?

if 29 Dec is day 1, surely day 14 is 11 Jan ... why the extra 4 days to review, or did someone make an error in crafting that email?

 

[Lupus]

found this in my SPAM folder, from the City of Cape Town yesterday:


so it will take more than 14 days to review regulations that specifically mention a 14 day prohibition on certain things?!?

if 29 Dec is day 1, surely day 14 is 11 Jan ... why the extra 4 days to review, or did someone make an error in crafting that email?

Well you've got to remember the long weekend

 

[Azg]

found this in my SPAM folder, from the City of Cape Town yesterday:


so it will take more than 14 days to review regulations that specifically mention a 14 day prohibition on certain things?!?

if 29 Dec is day 1, surely day 14 is 11 Jan ... why the extra 4 days to review, or did someone make an error in crafting that email?

Well you've got to remember the long weekend

The govt will review (ease / tighten/ scrap/ extend etc) the restrictions then, not the City of Cape Town.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345279528353091584

 

[MiW]

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

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