South African solar users may have to replace inverters to meet the grid code's requirements

Flanders said:
I'd hazard a guess that most people here have their inverter model on the list. But damn, priorities please. This sort of thing and that jhb cameras-in-public bollocks makes my blood boil when the place is literally falling apart brick by brick. Thee absolute last items on the list to worry about.

*Capetonians reading my post like dafuq
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I mean if you installed an inverter…or had an installer willing to install one not on the list you only have yourself to blame.

All of this is known and nothing new so if you forged ahead then it’s all on you.
 
BetaProject said:
I am in Cape Town, I have an off-grid inverter, I have solar panels. I have no Eskom connection. I had no problems AT ALL getting my system installed with all required COCs. Hybrid inverters connected to the grid need to be registered. Off-grid inverters are meant to be used without a grid connection. That's all. Why the drama?
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Off grid inverters are supposed to use the grid to charge your batteries during shitty weather instead of using expensive generators. You must be one of only a handful of people with no grid connection in Cape Town.
 
BetaProject said:
I am in Cape Town, I have an off-grid inverter, I have solar panels. I have no Eskom connection. I had no problems AT ALL getting my system installed with all required COCs. Hybrid inverters connected to the grid need to be registered. Off-grid inverters are meant to be used without a grid connection. That's all. Why the drama?
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Cause the list of inverters doesn't have all the hybrids and the definition that is given for off-grid is wrong. They seem to want to prevent inverters that can't feed back into the grid, but than in the same breath put blame on those same inverters for possibly causing an issue feeding back into the grid??
It's like a proper island solar system will not feedback into the grid, especially if the inverter doesn't even have that capability or the meter even.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
Yep, about just after the ANC decided to stop maintaining and expanding Eskom. The banned inverter list did not exist 20 years ago though, and that is what this thread is about. Stop deflecting and defending the DANC.
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The point is the regulations HAVE been around for more than 20 years.

Jackal46 said:
What about the reseller? The hardware shop that sold it? The solar shop that sold it? As you said they should have at least tell the customer "look this thing is not getting a COC" that is fair? I mean if I sell you a stove that cannot get a COC will you install it at your home? Will your insurance accept your choice?

Fact is we had a right to know what we are buying and the legalities behind it. There is no dumping responsibility on the customer. It is like Going to hardware shop and ask to buy a geyser and then the installer tells you "sorry no COC for this device" and your insurance go "sorry no cover for you as well"

South Africans shouldn't take this **** anymore. We should hold the shops accountable.
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Unfortunately the law is not on your side here. You as the consumer is expected to educate yourself before making the purchase. How does the seller know what you do and don't know? Should the supermarket warn you everytime you buy chicken not to eat it raw?

Benedict A55h0le not said:
You should stop posting misinformation in defense of the indefensible. In CPT the DA require all panels to be registered, and they will only approve registrations with inverters on the list. Same thing is now rolled out nationally.
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Kindly point out the misinformation. You sir, are the biggest peddler of misinformation on this entire forum.
 
ghaye said:
Kindly point out the misinformation. You sir, are the biggest peddler of misinformation on this entire forum.
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Prove that the current banned inverter list of today existed 20 years ago. There are also many other regulations that are more recent. For example, not allowing going off grid in urban zoning, and also requiring all solar panels to be registered even if it is off grid.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
Prove that the current banned inverter list of today existed 20 years ago. There are also many other regulations that are more recent. For example, not allowing going off grid in urban zoning, and also requiring all solar panels to be registered even if it is off grid.
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WTF? Why don't you first prove that I claimed that? Then we'll take it from there.

I think I've stumbled upon your problem. You can't read.
 
ghaye said:
WTF? Why don't you first prove that I claimed that? Then we'll take it from there.

I think I've stumbled upon your problem. You can't read.
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I'm sure it can read, the biggest issue is comprehension
 
ghaye said:
WTF? Why don't you first prove that I claimed that? Then we'll take it from there.

I think I've stumbled upon your problem. You can't read.
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You are the 1 making the blanket statement that regulations were set 20 years ago. So maybe you should refine which regulations were set when. This thread is about the allowed inverter list which was not set 20 years ago. So what is the point you are making? Some regulations were set 20 years ago - so what? The regulation that applies to this thread was set recently. You clearly have comprehension problems in your quest to be Mr KnowItAll.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
You are the 1 making the blanket statement that regulations were set 20 years ago. So maybe you should refine which regulations were set when. This thread is about the allowed inverter list which was not set 20 years ago. So what is the point you are making? Some regulations were set 20 years ago - so what? The regulation that applies to this thread was set recently. You clearly have comprehension problems in your quest to be Mr KnowItAll.
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Okay, let me spell it out for you. The regulations that regulate the electrical sector have been around for a lot longer than 20 years. The reason new regulations are what they is because they have to conform to these existing regulations.

Maybe do a search on why and how the earth leakage system developed/evolved and who came up with it in the first place. You be surprised.
 
ghaye said:
Okay, let me spell it out for you. The regulations that regulate the electrical sector have been around for a lot longer than 20 years. The reason new regulations are what they is because they have to conform to these existing regulations.

Maybe do a search on why and how the earth leakage system developed/evolved and who came up with it in the first place. You be surprised.
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Some new regulations are tied to the older regulations, some are not. Can you prove that the regulation to ban non feed in inverters was done already 20 years ago? Can you prove that there was a regulation to deny going off-grid in urban zoning 20 years ago? Even if this was in place 20 years ago, it is still not scientific in terms of safety, and it is still the regulator`s fault for not enforcing this earlier. It was already known in the late 90s that Eskom will run out of capacity by 2007. Load shedding +- started in 2007 already, got more intense in 2013, and went off the charts in the last 5 years, and they only start to enforce their socialist solar regulations now? And you say it is the person`s fault that bought a banned inverter when there was not even a list of allowed inverters?
 
Spizz said:
I'd be interested to know if anyone with a Victron is not on the list.
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I have Victron, but they are on the list. That is because I did my homework and I used a reputable installer. You get what you pay for is a simple truth in life.
There were some models that looked really tempting on paper but unfortunately they didn't comply with the required standards.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
Some new regulations are tied to the older regulations, some are not. Can you prove that the regulation to ban non feed in inverters was done already 20 years ago? Can you prove that there was a regulation to deny going off-grid in urban zoning 20 years ago? Even if this was in place 20 years ago, it is still not scientific in terms of safety, and it is still the regulator`s fault for not enforcing this earlier. It was already known in the late 90s that Eskom will run out of capacity by 2007. Load shedding +- started in 2007 already, got more intense in 2013, and went off the charts in the last 5 years, and they only start to enforce their socialist solar regulations now? And you say it is the person`s fault that bought a banned inverter when there was not even a list of allowed inverters?
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Can you prove there are regulations that ban any inverter?
 
ghaye said:
I have Victron, but they are on the list. That is because I did my homework and I used a reputable installer. You get what you pay for is a simple truth in life.
There were some models that looked really tempting on paper but unfortunately they didn't comply with the required standards.
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Sure, I also went Victron and mine is also on the list. I was just wondering about the range they have and maybe it is just as small as that.
 
Spizz said:
Sure, I also went Victron and mine is also on the list. I was just wondering about the range they have and maybe it is just as small as that.
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They have a vast range. And as you know the modular landscape allows you to mix and match to suite any requirement.
The domestic solar market is a very, very small part of their market.
 
ghaye said:
Yeah, maybe my standards are too high but those two mean the same thing to me.
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Reading comprehension is the ability to read text, process it and understand its meaning.
Reading without comprehension means someone can decode words but struggles to understand the meaning of the text.
:)
 
ghaye said:
They have a vast range. And as you know the modular landscape allows you to mix and match to suite any requirement.
The domestic solar market is a very, very small part of their market.
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Yeah, that's kind of my point. Rather than thinking the Victron inverters listed was a small section of what is available, I was wondering if that is all they pretty much have for the domestic market. (I also have a Victron in my Kombi btw)
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
You should stop posting misinformation in defense of the indefensible. In CPT the DA require all panels to be registered, and they will only approve registrations with inverters on the list. Same thing is now rolled out nationally.
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Is this correct? Think about it "all panels"?

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Should we register something like this?


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Or something like this?

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They need to be specific because a law cannot be generalized. I don't see how they can demand any registration for the examples I have given here. Nor should there be registration for it. In the end of the day, if the house is isolated and can't send power to the grid in any way, we should be allowed to hook up a generator in a properly installed and COC hookup point. What we hook up to is our business. It can be a generator or a portable inverter system. As long as it is not part of the house they shouldn't have a say.
 
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