South Africans are flooding to these countries

cguy said:
Before waxing lyrical about data, numbers, and facts, you should perhaps attempt to understand that a 50% reduction in tax income does not mean that 50% of the tax payers leave.
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Well don't let me stop you.

Let's hear you on your figures that the odd 27 000 that have emigrated has led to a reduction of 50% of the income tax received.

Let me give you average givens in your implausible statement:

1. SA overall collected R1 000 000 000 000.00 (1 trillion) in income tax

2. 27 000 emigrants left SA

3. That means each and every person that emigrated individually paid R37 000 000.00 per year in income tax. That is R64 000 000.00 for a nuclear family paid in taxes for each and every single one.

4. That means each family that emigrated earned over R150 000 000.00 per year.

By your baseless claims, you insist that R500 000 000 000.00 has been lost over the course of 2024 from the 27 000 that have emigrated. Johan Rupert made R252 million in 2024., so we are talking roughly about 1984 individuals who earned the same as Rupert who emigrated...... Right?

Ofcourse you going to show me all of this....

I'm dying to find out...
 
Calkem said:
Well don't let me stop you.

Let's hear you on your figures that the odd 27 000 that have emigrated has led to a reduction of 50% of the income tax received.

Let me give you average givens in your implausible statement:

1. SA overall collected R1 000 000 000 000.00 (1 trillion) in income tax

2. 27 000 emigrants left SA

3. That means each and every person that emigrated individually paid R37 000 000.00 per year in income tax. That is R64 000 000.00 for a nuclear family paid in taxes for each and every single one.

4. That means each family that emigrated earned over R150 000 000.00 per year.

By your baseless claims, you insist that R500 000 000 000.00 has been lost over the course of 2024 from the 27 000 that have emigrated. Johan Rupert made R252 million in 2024., so we are talking roughly about 1984 individuals who earned the same as Rupert who emigrated...... Right?

Ofcourse you going to show me all of this....

I'm dying to find out...
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To be precise, we are not talking about out the 27000 that emigrated last year, we are talking about the 1+million who have emigrated in entirety. Trying to frame it as rate-as-of-today issue ignores the impact those expats likely would have had on the economy over a significant period of time.

This includes people like Musk, Soon-Shiong, Calder, Glasenberg, Bloom, Shuttleworth, etc., and a hundred thousand others. Specifically, their income tax, taxes that their businesses pay, taxes that their employees pay, as well as taxes on real estate, estate, retail, etc.
 
cguy said:
To be precise, we are not talking about out the 27000 that emigrated last year, we are talking about the 1+million who have emigrated in entirety. Trying to frame it as rate-as-of-today issue ignores the impact those expats likely would have had on the economy over a significant period of time.

This includes people like Musk, Soon-Shiong, Calder, Glasenberg, Bloom, Shuttleworth, etc., and a hundred thousand others. Specifically, their income tax, taxes that their businesses pay, taxes that their employees pay, as well as taxes on real estate, estate, retail, etc.
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Our standard logical reply to that is that it was good that they left because 1 000 000 poor people could take their jobs.
 
Pegging said:
Our standard logical reply to that is that it was good that they left because 1 000 000 poor people could take their jobs.
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Yeah, the old “More jobs for us” argument, while being befuddled by how somehow despite all the engineers flooding into Silicon Valley over the last 40 years, salaries just seem to go up.
 
cguy said:
To be precise, we are not talking about out the 27000 that emigrated last year, we are talking about the 1+million who have emigrated in entirety. Trying to frame it as rate-as-of-today issue ignores the impact those expats likely would have had on the economy over a significant period of time.

This includes people like Musk, Soon-Shiong, Calder, Glasenberg, Bloom, Shuttleworth, etc., and a hundred thousand others. Specifically, their income tax, taxes that their businesses pay, taxes that their employees pay, as well as taxes on real estate, estate, retail, etc.
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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:....... I thought so.... All talk, zero stats & data. Pure emotions.

Pathetic
 
Pegging said:
Our standard logical reply to that is that it was good that they left because 1 000 000 poor people could take their jobs.
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That would be asinine since an odd 40% left because they were unemployed. Not paying tax!........ sponging off the system. Ask the Colonel he will confirm it for you :ROFL:

Man I love you....... You made me realise that it's not a full loss of tax payers but that of the 27 000 close to half were leaches.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934361747957162066
 
Calkem said:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:....... I thought so.... All talk, zero stats & data. Pure emotions.

Pathetic
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It’s a grounded hypothesis given limited data. If you want proofs, go back to high school.
 
Calkem said:
That would be asinine since an odd 40% left because they were unemployed. Not paying tax!........ sponging off the system.
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Where does this 40% number come from?
 
Calkem said:
That would be asinine since an odd 40% left because they were unemployed. Not paying tax!........ sponging off the system. Ask the Colonel he will confirm it for you :ROFL:

Man I love you....... You made me realise that it's not a full loss of tax payers but that of the 27 000 close to half were leaches.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934361747957162066
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I see you follow stupid and ignorant people on X.
That explains your posts and saves me time asking WTF you are on about.
 
Pegging said:
I see you follow stupid and ignorant people on X.
That explains your posts and saves me time asking WTF you are on about.
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You know very well what I was talking about, but claim ignorance simply because your have more revert, I was right you are wrong. You won't admit it but would rather throw mud & ad hominem.
 
Calkem said:
Watch the video ............ 40-50%
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Why on earth are you comparing the million plus immigrants who left on specialist works visas, investment visas, study visas, etc. to a few Afrikaner refugees?
 
cguy said:
Why on earth are you comparing the million plus immigrants who left on specialist works visas, investment visas, study visas, etc. to a few Afrikaner refugees?
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Are you telling me that there is no Afrikaners who have left to invest elsewhere or study elsewhere or work elsewhere?

The refugee program is not in anyway for solely for poor, unskilled & uneducated Afrikaners
 
Corelli said:
There is about 20 000 Chinese business owners thats been in Lesotho for decades, and they love it there.
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Funny you say this. Only recently I came to know about some Taiwanese people whose parents are settled in Lesotho and I did wonder as to why.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Funny you say this. Only recently I came to know about some Taiwanese people whose parents are settled in Lesotho and I did wonder as to why.
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They cheat on the SARS importer tariffs by placing buttons on 99% complete garments made in China and sell them in SA as "Made in Lesotho" since it's in our customs union.

That's why...
 
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