South Africa's Bravado dominates the best teams in the world

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South Africa's Bravado dominates the best teams in the world

South African professional gaming team Bravado Gaming has placed second in the Dreamhack Winter 2018 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive tournament.

Bravado moved to the United States earlier this year to play against high-level international teams and compete in bigger and more competitive tournaments.
 

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'Bravado moved to the United States earlier this year'

Context please. If the team literally moved there on a more permanent bases, they are no longer a South African team, but a American one.
 

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'Bravado moved to the United States earlier this year'

Context please. If the team literally moved there on a more permanent bases, they are no longer a South African team, but a American one.
You going to have that argument with every other e-sports team? E-sports are globalised organisations, the teams are privately owned in most cases.

Bravado is founded in South Africa, they had to move to the USA for boot camp.
 

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Bravado is founded in South Africa, they had to move to the USA for boot camp.
A few Starcraft 2 teams did a similar thing by moving to Korea, no one suggested that this changed the nationality of the team.
 

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It's a great achievement for the BvD guys less than a year into their American adventure. The headline is OTT though...the Dreamhack tour events are like tier 3 events at best - the "best teams in the world" don't play at Dreamhack.
 

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I actually watched a few of their matches, including the Grand Final, was really amazing. They got properly stomped the last game though.

One of the commentators did say they made history by being the first team ever to reach the finals whilst having gone through all the qualifiers and all that.
 

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'Bravado moved to the United States earlier this year'

Context please. If the team literally moved there on a more permanent bases, they are no longer a South African team, but a American one.
What about all the pro Golf and Tennis players that moved abroad for competitions, are they now longer South African.
 

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I actually watched a few of their matches, including the Grand Final, was really amazing. They got properly stomped the last game though.

One of the commentators did say they made history by being the first team ever to reach the finals whilst having gone through all the qualifiers and all that.
How was that deagle 4k by Fadey on dust2? o_O
 

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It's a great achievement for the BvD guys less than a year into their American adventure. The headline is OTT though...the Dreamhack tour events are like tier 3 events at best - the "best teams in the world" don't play at Dreamhack.
But, but, G2... they have new and young players though which doesn't make them the same as 2017.

OpTic is currently 13th in the world, November ranking. I honestly expected them to be the wall that Bravado will meet.

G2 is ranked 28th, but they lost their points due to their roster change, points are maintained by a 3-man core team.

Team Liquid, NRG, MIBR…

Cloud9 is currently at #25

So many new lineups.
 

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What about all the pro Golf and Tennis players that moved abroad for competitions, are they now longer South African.
Esports is a hardball when organisations stagnate in certain categories they tend to overhaul their rosters. Now that Bravado is based in the USA we may see them recruit in a year or three North (and South) Americans and Europeans pending on the organisation's growth. Since this is a private league, there are no residency rules or whatsoever.

We do have national representative teams, but they have money and organisational issues.

This Bravado team, however, for the most part, is South African. Only their one trainer (or analyst) is an American.

Bravado is also not the 1st team, by SA origin, to participate and stay abroad.
 

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What about all the pro Golf and Tennis players that moved abroad for competitions, are they now longer South African.
They will always be South African, but if they live in a different country, they no longer represent South Africa
 

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A few Starcraft 2 teams did a similar thing by moving to Korea, no one suggested that this changed the nationality of the team.
Makes no sense to me. If you no longer live in the country you are suppose to represent, how are you representing that country?
 

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Makes no sense to me. If you no longer live in the country you are suppose to represent, how are you representing that country?
In this case it's irrelevant, if the team is still run and managed out of South Africa then it's a South African team. Much the same The Dimension Data Cycling team is a South African team despite having riders from all over the world. (although the majority are South African)
 

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In this case it's irrelevant, if the team is still run and managed out of South Africa then it's a South African team. Much the same The Dimension Data Cycling team is a South African team despite having riders from all over the world. (although the majority are South African)
That is fair enough.
 

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so is it possible to get national colors for gaming now?
 

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They will always be South African, but if they live in a different country, they no longer represent South Africa
The South African team members didn't represent South Africa at Dreamhack, they represented Bravado.
 

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As far as I know, Bravado dont represent SA, they represent themselves as a brand, who happen to come from SA.
 

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Makes no sense to me. If you no longer live in the country you are suppose to represent, how are you representing that country?
They don't actually...by and large, e-sports competitions are nation-agnostic. It's only the WESG tournament that I can think of that requires teams to have a roster entirely of players from one country - it's kind of like the Olympics of e-sports.

The BvD guys are professional players, contracted to an organisation - it's no different from a Lionel Messi playing soccer for Barca (is he representing Argentina in a Barcelona shirt?) who then turns out for Argentina in national games.
 
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