South Africa's Minister of Defence vs the US Secretary of Defense

ForceFate

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That degree is akin to having a degree in shoe polishing, it is completely meaningless. Did you not see the part where even South African recognize it as a honorary degree aka anyone in the right place can get a 100 honorary degrees yet known nothing about anything.
Honours ≠ Honorary
 

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One has the largest military, highest defense budget and could wipe out everyone in a matter of minutes, the other has the best camouflaged soldiers in existence, deployed to quell riots not one could be spotted.
I fully agree on the two militaries.
I was more interested in differences between the two positions as the two people mentioned are both listed as minister of defense for their respective countries on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_defence_ministers
 

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Sjoe! And when I said this on other threads I was decapitated by ANC loyalists on here.

Anyone remember me stating that Stella Sigcau was only in parliament to get the Pondo vote for the ANC as she was a Pondo Princess?
I think I explained how she was ANC member in that thread.
 

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She has been a Minister of Defence for years now, that satisfies MyBb requirements for being skilled, doesn't it?
You got me. There are forumites who claim that experience trump qualifications.

But I bet you none of them goes to sangoma when sick.
 
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:notworthy: In 1987 Kudjoe attained her Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in Law specialising in Criminal Law at Kishinev State University (KSU) in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), a qualification certified by South African Qualifications Authority as an Honours degree. :notworthy:

Oh yes. Criminal law Soviet style. Absolutely relevant qualification today. I'm sure Alexander Solzhenitsyn and the thousands of Gulag prisoners would be so proud.

Moan that a Minister is not adequately qualified for a job that does not need qualifications and moan even more when the DG is adequately qualified for the job.

That degree is akin to having a degree in shoe polishing, it is completely meaningless. Did you not see the part where even South African recognize it as a honorary degree aka anyone in the right place can get a 100 honorary degrees yet known nothing about anything.

SA recognises the masters degeree as an honours degree. There is a MASSIVE (TM) difference between an honours degree and an honorary degree.
 

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High IQ people not knowing the difference between an honorary degree and an honours...

There's really no hope for South Africa.
 

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I find the comparisons a bit simplistic, the US has had years to build institutions and has long institutional memory to go with that, SA in particular still has to build traditions for themselves. If you were a member of the ANC MK, would you be happy having a Minister of Defence who might have been part of the enemy a few years ago, who routinely routed your pals every time there was a skirmish during the war? The minister just has to put the country first and be above the petty factional battles the ruling party is so fond of.

In my view, the fact that the DG's of ministries are not career civil servants but come and go with a particular minister is root of al the rot in government, we simply do not have continuity.

You just summed up why this place is so fvcked.

Not just the military, but in every facet of governance, expertise from the past was forced out over politics.
 

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No wonder why she doesn't know what an insurrection is!
The subject was not covered when she did her Primary Teacher's diploma.
 

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I find the comparisons a bit simplistic, the US has had years to build institutions and has long institutional memory to go with that, SA in particular still has to build traditions for themselves. If you were a member of the ANC MK, would you be happy having a Minister of Defence who might have been part of the enemy a few years ago, who routinely routed your pals every time there was a skirmish during the war? The minister just has to put the country first and be above the petty factional battles the ruling party is so fond of.

In my view, the fact that the DG's of ministries are not career civil servants but come and go with a particular minister is root of al the rot in government, we simply do not have continuity.
We had the institutions, the anc destroyed them
 
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