South Africa's Minister of Defence vs the US Secretary of Defense

Unhappy438

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Well, firstly, the point I was addressing was that government positions are used as a quid pro quo here, I never said anything about anyone being unskilled, although that also occurs.

Secondly, I never said anything about it making a difference, the point was that it's not unique to SA, so it's hardly where our problem 'starts'.

Well i disagree, it happens in other countries and they have the same/similar problems to South Africa. So just because its not unique doesn't mean it cant be a starting point for a problem.
 

Sollie

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Our military did not fail us, our government did.
Thank you. We've been trying to tell that to you the past ten years. Being able to somehow justify or talk away something does not make it right, does not remove the result.

/At this rate, in 20 - 30 years, we'll get you to wish the NATs were back again, we were in '94 and we could hold out for a better deal for all the people ... :p
 

dsi

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Starting to think ministers are appointed via lucky draw.
 

Sollie

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90% of the SA Ministers. Show me any that would be employed in the private sector on merit in a similar directors position?
Well, it does take a certain amount of skill to walk across a cattle guard in high heels, as we saw at Nkandla. Common, admit it!

:ROFL:
 

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Thank you. We've been trying to tell that to you the past ten years. Being able to somehow justify or talk away something does not make it right, does not remove the result.

/At this rate, in 20 - 30 years, we'll get you to wish the NATs were back again, we were in '94 and we could hold out for a better deal for all the people ... :p
What? When were NATs in power? And weren't they the good old days when rand got us 2 dollars? And our friends in Soweto was happy? Bring it on I say.
 

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:notworthy: In 1987 Kudjoe attained her Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in Law specialising in Criminal Law at Kishinev State University (KSU) in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), a qualification certified by South African Qualifications Authority as an Honours degree. :notworthy:

Oh yes. Criminal law Soviet style. Absolutely relevant qualification today. I'm sure Alexander Solzhenitsyn and the thousands of Gulag prisoners would be so proud.
 

Sollie

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What? When were NATs in power? And weren't they the good old days when rand got us 2 dollars? And our friends in Soweto was happy? Bring it on I say.
So are you Champie*? Or did he call in reinforcements?

Anyway ... you missed the crucial point in history. The Devil's in the details - and it wasn't even in fine print. Touchy, touchy! Did I hit a nerve? :sneaky:

*Hmm, interesting thought, can use it for my MyBB tin foil factory.
 

konfab

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Forget about the defence minister.

The finance minister who is the root cause of most of the issues in South Africa was not Malusi Gigaba nor Des Van Rooyen. It was Pravin Gordhan, who was loved by all the media midwits.

The Editor’s Notebook (“From hardly any debt to financial aid”, August 3) refers. SA entered the 2000s with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 43%, which was reduced to 27% by 2008 under the steady and trusted hands of finance minister Trevor Manuel and president Thabo Mbeki.

On May 10 2009 Jacob Zuma appointed Pravin Gordhan as finance minister, and during his first five years in that position the country’s debt-to-GDP ratio increased from 27% to 47%, undoing all the hard work of his predecessor. That was the original sin.

It was no different during Gordhan’s second, shorter stint, during which the increase in the debt ratio accelerated. It has been unstoppable since. Gordhan is now public enterprises minister, and it is evident that he is wholly unsuited for such a position given his insistence on bailing out a hopelessly insolvent state-owned airline, at whatever cost to taxpayers.

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/o...-gordhan-architect-of-financial-ruin-must-go/

I actually don't give a **** about someone's qualifications tbh. Principles matter far more in most government positions anyway. And the principles of pretty much every cabinet member in the ANC since Mbeki have been the principle of how to enrich their cadres as much as possible.

I would guarantee that the owner of a profitable spaza shop would do far better as the minister of finance than any of the communist retards that the ANC has put there.
 

Kodi

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Let's be honest, not even Gen. Jan Smuts could rescue this MoD. Just like the failings of every SOE, it's policies and corruption at the root of all the collapsing.
 

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:notworthy: In 1987 Kudjoe attained her Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in Law specialising in Criminal Law at Kishinev State University (KSU) in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), a qualification certified by South African Qualifications Authority as an Honours degree. :notworthy:

Oh yes. Criminal law Soviet style. Absolutely relevant qualification today. I'm sure Alexander Solzhenitsyn and the thousands of Gulag prisoners would be so proud.
Moan that a Minister is not adequately qualified for a job that does not need qualifications and moan even more when the DG is adequately qualified for the job.
 
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