Soweto residents want to pay R150 per month for electricity

Brewmaster

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Have you considered that maybe you cannot draw water from a dry well even if you feel that what you got is not enough? Do you think that your feelings will fill an empty bucket?
I’m not the one who needs convincing.
Can you clarify? I don't have the same way with words that you seem to have. Are you agreeing with the observations when making that statement? Don't you feel that that response is dismissive of others options and perhaps condescending?
I’m agreeing that he sees it that way and I understand why he sees it that way and I also understand that while he sees it that way then he won’t be able to see it the way I see it so it would be pointless to continue. A kind of agreeing to disagree.
Perhaps you can elaborate on your observation?
There a lot more not-flashy-at-all people living in Soweto but we won’t notice them since they are not flashy and by definition we are drawn to the flashy.
Perhaps you should help us understand what we should be ready for? Can I assume you know more?
Perhaps ask the person I quoted since he’s the one predicting the roosting of chickens? I was just asking him if he’s ready.
 

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On the contrary, I actually like listening to opinions that differ from mine. It’s enlightening.
Interesting.... It's hardly enlightening for you though because you are still banging your feels drum.... When feels won't solve the problem.
 

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Interesting.... It's hardly enlightening for you though because you are still banging your feels drum.... When feels won't solve the problem.
Right again.
south africa will be a much better place when the anc follows every other "liberation" movement in history and fades away.
I agree with this. What do we do until then? Wait?

The unique problem with South Africa is that many feel like the liberation struggle hasn’t ended. So ANC might still be around for a while.
 

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I agree with this. What do we do until then? Wait?

The unique problem with South Africa is that many feel like the liberation struggle hasn’t ended. So ANC might still be around for a while.
yeah unfortunately (growing pains), let the anc carry on making false promises, their voter base stops voting, strengthening opposition.
 

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I’m agreeing that he sees it that way and I understand why he sees it that way and I also understand that while he sees it that way then he won’t be able to see it the way I see it so it would be pointless to continue. A kind of agreeing to disagree
You are right.

Perhaps ask the person I quoted since he’s the one predicting the roosting of chickens? I was just asking him if he’s ready.
I was just asking you what you expected from that question. Was that question rhetorical?

I agree with this. What do we do until then? Wait?

The unique problem with South Africa is that many feel like the liberation struggle hasn’t ended. So ANC might still be around for a while.

Do you have a suggestion?
 

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yeah unfortunately (growing pains), let the anc carry on making false promises, their voter base stops voting, strengthening opposition.
Be careful what you wish for. The EFF, whose rise seems like a culmination of a lot of pent up anger and frustration, is the opposition that is being strengthened. And they’re basically promising free everything for the Cannotpayers.
 

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Be careful what you wish for. The EFF, whose rise seems like a culmination of a lot of pent up anger and frustration, is the opposition that is being strengthened. And they’re basically promising free everything for the Cannotpayers.
an empty can makes the most noise.
eff (anc 2.0) = malema (commander in chief) who's time is coming where he gets criminally charged and goes to jail, so when that happens the eff goes away imho, they're a one trick pony and people are getting tired of them.
till then, we just keep kicking that can down the street.
 

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an empty can makes the most noise.
eff (anc 2.0) = malema (commander in chief) who's time is coming where he gets criminally charged and goes to jail, so when that happens the eff goes away imho, they're a one trick pony and people are getting tired of them.
till then, we just keep kicking that can down the street.
I agree with your assessment of him but parallels with rise of nazi party in Germany are quite similar.

After war there was combination of political crisis, unemployment, anger and hurt national pride which lead to rise of national socialist party. (emphases on socialist)
Then he ends up in prison, economy picks up and he goes to obscurity,
But with great depression and hungry unemployed people his rhetoric about world conspiracy, Jews, unfair reparations quickly picks up and he is back on the horse.

Karl Marx said that worker (communist/socialist) revolution will happen with development of workers consciousness, education and most likely in developed country but we all know that it happened in societies with most deprived populations.

As it stands in SA hungry, deprived, unemployed masses look at you driving fancy car, living in nice house not knowing that most likely you are two paychecks of being out.
But to them you have it all and they have nothing, perfect situation for the rise of fascist party.
 

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I agree with your assessment of him but parallels with rise of nazi party in Germany are quite similar.

After war there was combination of political crisis, unemployment, anger and hurt national pride which lead to rise of national socialist party. (emphases on socialist)
Then he ends up in prison, economy picks up and he goes to obscurity,
But with great depression and hungry unemployed people his rhetoric about world conspiracy, Jews, unfair reparations quickly picks up and he is back on the horse.

Karl Marx said that worker (communist/socialist) revolution will happen with development of workers consciousness, education and most likely in developed country but we all know that it happened in societies with most deprived populations.

As it stands in SA hungry, deprived, unemployed masses look at you driving fancy car, living in nice house not knowing that most likely you are two paychecks of being out.
But to them you have it all and they have nothing, perfect situation for the rise of fascist party.
yes, we need a war to sort things out, which is sa's problem, we haven't had a war yet.
 

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yes, we need a war to sort things out, which is sa's problem, we haven't had a war yet.
I do not think war would solve any problems, many are calling for it or secretly hoping for it but they really do not comprehend it and consequences of it.

War never ends, it only ends for people that died in the war.
 

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I do not think war would solve any problems, many are calling for it or secretly hoping for it but they really do not comprehend it and consequences of it.

War never ends, it only ends for people that died in the war.
i think it would end the sense of entitlement that we are currently suffering from.
 

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i think it would end the sense of entitlement that we are currently suffering from.
You must realise how ridiculous that is. Would you say Europeans are more entitled than us? I would. Do they deserve another war? Was the last World War too long ago for you...?

Also, what country will be the victim of our apparent need of social "readjustment". Who should SA pick a fight with and kill just to end "our own sense of entitlement"?
What about you and your family. What if you all die or just you die, or just your family. But at least the country wont' feel entitled anymore, right?
 

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Be careful what you wish for. The EFF, whose rise seems like a culmination of a lot of pent up anger and frustration, is the opposition that is being strengthened. And they’re basically promising free everything for the Cannotpayers.
Cannotpayers is not the problem, we can easily afford to subsidize them, it's those who don't want to pay that are the problem, even the EFF does not have time for those.

Malema said social grant beneficiaries needed to be exempt from paying electricity, calling on the SA Social Security Agency (Sassa) to hand over its list of beneficiaries to Eskom to clear their debt.

He added Soweto residents who could afford to pay should pay and not hide behind the poor.

"Don't just say we demand flat rates; we demand free electricity. If we give free electricity it means you are paying for the rich."
 

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You must realise how ridiculous that is. Would you say Europeans are more entitled than us? I would. Do they deserve another war? Was the last World War too long ago for you...?

Also, what country will be the victim of our apparent need of social "readjustment". Who should SA pick a fight with and kill just to end "our own sense of entitlement"?
What about you and your family. What if you all die or just you die, or just your family. But at least the country wont' feel entitled anymore, right?
i'm talking about sa only. civil war will end the the gimme gimmes' everything for free (sense of entitlement).
don't get me wrong, i'm not wishing for it, but i think we are heading that way, unless our leaders start actually leading instead of making false promises.
 

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