Spanking the CUG, Tibet and Warfare

LoneGunman

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Hello.

I felt like leaving for a while, and taking a fair amount of my words with me, so I did.
No temper tantrum, no paying off by Sentech, no desire to disrupt the forum, and no fear whatsoever of lawyers - just a quiet form of wiping away months of a slowly constructed 'digital mandala'. And the months of writing (mostly angry stuff) had pretty much created a strange kind of online mandala of weird proportions.

Let's sidetrack for a second and give you a crash course in Tibetan art :)
And yes, this is one of those overly-long elegant posts, as someone weirdly referred to it, as if 'elegant' is a negative.

Duh.
<b>
*Twin Peaks music starts up softly*</b>

<i>A mandala, is not that old guy who gets trotted out for sporting and business events, it is - and let me quote - 'Mandala is a Sanskrit word meaning "circle".
Mandalas are symbols of the Universe and its energy. Tibetan monks create these archetypal templates to remind us of the cycle of life and death. A Mandala has many layers of meaning, such as cosmic diagrams and support for meditation.

In ancient times in Tibet, sand ground from brightly colored stone was often used for making the Mandalas.

The construction of a (sand) mandala is done as a meditation or prayer for healing. The artist works the sand while meditating, creating the work from the center to the outside.

When complete, the mandala painting is usually 'deconstructed'; swept into a container and released into a body of water, honoring and symbolizing the impermanence of conditions, beliefs and of life itself."

In other words, big beautiful interesting things get made, painstakingly, and put together (using sand usually), and then
when complete, are casually swept up and tossed aside. </i>
There, you learned something. :p

And as the FIRST commercial MyWireless customer, who'd gone from raving at others on forum about it, to bringing up the rear in the growing anger at Sentech, I'd created an interesting mandala online.

Did it reflect who I am? Perhaps. I'm merciless with fools and compulsively honest, but it seemed clear that others with little understanding of the psychopathology of corporations, their strategy and their tactics, had begun taking over and effectively 'dumbing down' and blunting the focus against the common problem - namely Sentech.

And my own long tirades weren't helping.
If anything, they tended to make the naive and unschooled-in-strategic-social-activism, seem like the 'sensible ones'.
When they are clearly not.

This was a no-win situation for me. I expressed my anger on forum, and thus make the folks walking into Sentech's trap seem even more 'sensible', by comparison.

So I felt the need for a combo angry-digital-mandala-deconstruct and symbolic washing away of the crud that had built up over time, from me, on forum.

No damage was meant to the forum, but I see my editing did 'bump' some posts back to the front, which I'm sorry about, it wasn't my intention to cause any chaos. I would have also removed the threads that I started, and replaced the titles with '*' as well, but that would have rendered a lot of useful threads nonsensical, and it WOULD have been damaging to the forum.

I don't want to say to the so-called CUG that 'I told you so' - but for the purposes of helping you understand your mistake, and avoid continuing to do it.. <u>'I told you so'</u>. :p

It gives me no satisfaction.
I'd rather have a decent service than any ego-boost from being proved right.

Not only has Sentech played you CUG folks like fools, they've fed you half-truths, (supposedly of value to YOU), to make you keep to yourselves off the forum (thus splitting the previous unity) They've also made you look pretty stupid in the newspaper, at least to those who know the reality of the Sentech 'service'.

Many of you CUG folk are amazingly technically skilled, and why Sentech didnt/doesnt use your skills, is beyond me - but when it comes to Propaganda, Tactics, and varying degrees of corporate activism, you're amateurs. I mean that in a nice way - as in 'filled with passion and a willingness to try'. That's great.

Sentech however, are a corporation, interested only in 'the bottom line'. Profit. Nothing else.

That newspaper article which effectively gave them a seal of approval on your (our) behalf - just helped them increase their profit. They dont care and never did care about your or my or our feelings, desires, hopes or needs. Just Profit.

Until you and the other users realise this about Sentech, they will continue to do whatever it takes, to co-opt, divide and simply exploit your goodwill and amateur zeal, to their own ends. Profit.

They've managed to embaress the CUG, and the Forum - and make the individuals who met them, joke uneasily about the free stuff they got, and let slip little bits and pieces of the supposedly 'secret' information from the meeting, on forum - then react like stuck-up children when the rightful demands for EVERY LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION began coming from other forumites.

I've made no secret of the fact that Sentech have allowed me to test drive a 256 account, while they struggle to find out the apparent cause of the slow speeds (yeah yeah we all know its probably insifficient b/w and crap software) - so what's the big secret about what the indivdual CUG users were offered, to try and cut them from the rest of the forum?

It was bizarre seeing the CUG group behaving just as stupidly as Sentech, going from a proud and stern attitude of 'we're activists speaking on behalf of others on forum!' - to a secretive bunch of people who'd clearly changed their minds about what they 'felt' they could tell the forum. The instant Sentech made them do that, Sentech succeeded in turning the campaign against them - into just another marketing opportunity - like all those bimbo housewives on TV waving boxes of washing powder. 'Co-opted' is the correct lefty term to describe what has happened to the CUG.

It doesnt matter what the deals offered to the CUG were or are, what matters is the massive dishonesty displayed by the CUG who were supposed to be representing the Forum (or at least those on it with MyWireless)
And even if you say you werent representing anyone - you all behaved AS IF you were.

At least until after the meeting. When it suddenly seemed like 'a much better idea' to keep quiet.

Now you have egg on your faces. Even those of you who will protest to the end that you don't. You do.

You collectively are responsible for giving Sentech the easy opportunity to defuse whatever growing public pressure had been created up until now, and allowed yourselves to be co-opted and used.

1. Sentech havent stopped laughing at you folks, since the meeting.

2. As long as you have what you think are 'secrets' - and are secretly discussing them elsewhere and keeping them from all Sentech customers on this board to see, you are playing into Sentech's hands completely.
(There is nothing that Sentech can say or offer me, or anyone else, that justifies me or others, from not talking about it.)

You are truly naive and stupid, if you think that ANYTHING that Sentech is saying to you, or did say to you, can be best served by removing it and your discussion of it, from the public view.

This is PRECISELY the tactic that Sentech intended.

Even if one or another 'earnest' and 'sincere-sounding' Sentech employee asked you 'man to man' - or using some other dumb premise, to keep the contents of the meeting private - the instant you did, you confirmed to Sentech that you are amateurs and could be walked all over.

(You CUG group don't play chess, do you? If you do - I'll be able to beat you very fast - given that you do not think your moves out before taking them, or considering the MEANING of moves you might take, as to whether its to your opponent's advantage)

Meeting with Sentech, did nothing for you, or the rest of the forumites. It COULDN'T do anything. Ever.

I mean what were you guys expecting? The Sentech management team to go 'gosh! You're right, let's flick a switch and make it all better for you!'

You CUG guys were managed and played.

Look at what the meeting has ALREADY done for Sentech:

1. It divided forumites

2. It removed the most vocal of MyAdsl users from the forum.

3. It created distrust amongst the MyAdsl users.

4. It made Rodent and MyAdsl appear in a newspaper article, apparently saying how wonderful Sentech is now, and suggesting that all problems are fixed.

And tell me, CUG group - what have YOU folks managed to get since the meeting? Practically. What do you have in your hands?

Unease. Suspicion. Caution..

Funny how you lot pretty much became, in reality, what you were previously complaining about Sentech for being, hm?

You lost the battle, but the war still continues.

Put your ego's aside for a moment. Yes this perhaps stings, and yes you're welcome to attack, flame and rip my argument to shreds - but - take a moment and consider the reality of what I'm suggesting. You non-chess players thought you were doing the right thing - but the facts of what happened AFTER the meeting, speak for themselves.

Sentech only continues its 'win' - if you guys remain secretive, and believing whatever it was that was promised to you at the meeting. The longer the so-called CUG hides elsewhere, regardless of how 'secret' or 'useful' they might think the information being traded is - the more firmly Sentech's 'win' becomes entrenched.

Its fine ultimately, if you folks want to stay secretive about the meeting, but what it means then, is that you ultimately become irrelevent and sidelined in the fight against Sentech.

As it has the appearance that almost all of you are in it purely for your own personal self-interest. Nothing wrong with that, but - and this is important: Sentech targetted and focused on you folks specifically because you seemed to represent a larger group of customers. Yes sure there's the simplistic thing of 'remove the vocal ones and the others will fall in line' - which may have been part of Sentechs thinking - but while the CUG since the meeting has sat in private and talked and communicated little or nothing of substance with the Forum, what it means in reality, is that Sentech have effectively made you folks scoop yourselves up, and deposit yourselves off to one side.

And what this means in reality, is that suddenly there's no campaign against Sentech visible anywhere.

You're now sidelined.. and unless you realise this, disregard whatever rubbish was told to you 'in confidence' at the meeting, and behave exactly as you did before the meeting, with the same honesty (and anger) - you not only have failed as social/consumer activists, you've failed to even represent your OWN interests in any effective or meaningful way..
And it'll be up to the next wave of outraged customers who'll take your place, as time goes by -

It's gratifying to see the next wave of potential activists already appearing on Forum, even in the short period of time since the 'Concerned User Group' AKA 'Closed User Group' got out-played and outwitted.

- And hopefully, if they are chess-players, they wont fall into the same traps that you guys did.

Put your ego's and humiliation on hold for a moment, and contemplate the situation as it is now.

Then get angry. Not with me. Not with the other forumites who quite rightfully are demanding a full and honest account of what happened - and who just get more and more repulsed at every post by assorted individuals spinning what is, in effect a 'party line'.

Get angry at Sentech.

Sentech currently are winning, and because of the actions of the CUG, there are new potential customers who will sign up and be defrauded by Sentech as we currently are - because they read the newspaper article and believed it.

Some social responsibility is required by the CUG, to tread carefully and not be so naive in their dealings with Sentech.

Sentech will lie, will promise anything, will swear oaths on stacks of Bibles to your face, whatever it is they think you will believe.

Once you have grasped one of the basic fact of consumer activism, namely that companies do NOT care and have no interest in your welfare, except as cash-cows for profit - then you can begin to approach the problem of this company and its criminal activity, in a way which doesn't let them paint bulls eyes on your backs, while appearing to be interested in what you have to say.

I'm reasonably sure that any high management personnel at that meeting, knew already that a press release was going to be leaked - and it was just all about waiting to get a suitable soundbite to make sure that MyAdsl could be reported as being 'real pleased with Sentech'.

So don't get angry at me, or others. Get angry and even at Sentech.

They want 'secrets', then 'be public'. They want 'quiet' - then 'be loud'. They want to offer the past CUG favours, let CUG accept them, and tell everyone about the favours, and enjoy them, and CONTINUE the pressure.

I was (according to MyWireless themselves) the first customer they had. Peter Rademeyer himself dropped off the modem, and I was on this forum that evening, doing traceroutes and pings for people..

I'm going to try and do the same with iBurst :)

But in the meantime, big respek to rpm for having created this online forum - and to the new up and coming 'concerned user groups' that are beginning to form, don't be seduced or allow yourselves to be co-opted into any of Sentech's strategies.

Rather, manipulate them into being co-opted into YOURS.

Sentech supposedly 'being forced' into listening to your demands and problems, is no gain whatsoever. It's actually an illusion. They completely understand the situation they have put customers in. All it does is allow for Users to vent their anger, 'explain' to Sentech what they're doing wrong (as if Sentech doesn't already know) and makes the user-group feel somehow 'special' and 'important'. Meantime, Sentech ahead of the meetings, are laughing and joking about the way they'll appear concerned and attentive and interested in what the users might say.

An overt example of this strategy was the meeting with Marcel Raath, where he had the nerve to 'express surprise that Sentech was actually an ISP'. You have to be pretty naive to even accept that Raath would try and float this idea at a complainant.

It indicates how stupid, Sentech think their opposition is.

Thus far, they've been proved right.

Take a step back and realize that Sentech know exactly what they're doing, at least in the upper management circles, and are relying on the lower rungs of the corporation (help desk etc) to create a smokescreen through which customers are forced to work.

You need to change your perception of the paradigm in which Sentech is operating. They want profit. That's all.

Anything which interferes with the smooth increase in profit, is percieved of by Sentech as 'damage' - therefore they'll adopt whatever strategies are necessary to delay the decrease in profit. It costs nothing extra to have made a vast profit thus far, from employing outsourced help desk monkeys to delay and recieve customer anger. When potential damage to profits reached the point of needing to be adressed, they took steps to divert, threaten, bribe, and ultimately co-opt and embarress both individuals, and the alleged activist user-group that had formed.

The instant Rodent caved at a R120 'lawyers letter' and handed over the sites he'd registered, Sentech knew they were dealing with an amateur, (at least in terms of corporate activism) and they gave little or no credence to anything thereafter. For a brief moment there was the potential of severe damage to Sentech, but that edge was lost - and although Sentech paid lipservice to the idea that Rodent's subsequent actions were worrying to them, the truth is, they weren't.
The game was lost at the handing over of sites, and it served Sentech's interests to let the accuser and others believe that his subsequent actions were of equal importance.

They wont address the core issues, because it is not profitable for them to do so. Its that simple. Currently there appears to be a little extra speed, but it won't last - because the cost of supplying it will reduce the previous months profits for Sentech. (When they purchased less bandwidth but still received the same payments from users.)

Public actions, and negative public actions - are 'damage' to Sentech's profits. Begin to 'damage' their profits, and they will go through a standard cycle of reaction, depending on the severity of the potential damage. Legal threats, public sneering at the problem in the media, attempts to 'make friends' with the individuals, provide them with supposed 'inner sanctum secrets or information' to cut the individual from the other complainants, bribery - in other words. They'll even - if the damage needs to be further reduced, take a minor cut in profits, and supply slightly more of the service they
consciously are not supplying, in order to push their advantage. For instance at present, they've utterly discredited and humiliated the so-called CUG, so its not surprising that there's a follow-up action of an increase in speeds now - because its the correct thing for Sentech to do, to demoralize and disperse its opponents even further.

Sentech is not an incompetent and badly run organization. How do I know? Well, you're paying them each month, regardless of what they're doing, aren't you?
They're making a profit - therefore they are a very well run organization, that is clearly SUCCEEDING in doing what a corporation is SUPPOSED to do. Make a profit.

Yes there are what appear to be morons throughout the lower parts of the pyramid that is Sentech, but to assume that therefore 'Sentech are morons who don't know what they're doing' - is to fall into a very clever trap they are perpetuating.

This structural approach is not something everyone who works at Sentech is neccessarily privy to, or aware of - so there's no vast conspiracy at all. But the upper management is quite aware of the only thing that is important to a corporation. PROFIT.
Everything else that anyone at Sentech says, is smoke and mirrors. Illusion. You cash cows keep paying each month - some of you even paying twice - then who cares about how many times you phone the help desk. You're paying. They're making profit.

It doesn't matter how interested, concerned or friendly any Sentech management people appear to be. They are simply small cogs in a larger psychopathic machine known as a 'corporation' who's only concern is that you keep paying money.

To personalize or anthropomorphize what Sentech 'seems' to be, because of who you speak to, is to fail to get the big simple capitalist picture of a machine to make money, which we are all feeding each month.

To approach any dealings with this Machine, using retarded, immature and frankly juvenile idea's of 'Gee, if I can only persuade this or that person into seeing how terrible the service is, then maybe they'll fix things' - is to guarantee your failure. Sentech have been succeeding in making money, precisely because this above idea is at the heart of every approach that people on this forum have been using.

Meeting with Sentech? Why? They know the problem. They have the money and expertise. What on earth could they - given the above structural approach - have to 'gain' from meeting with a user group? What they had to 'gain' from meeting the so-called CUG, was to do exactly what they did do.
They discredited it, exploited it in the media, and let the individuals own ego's implode the unity that was threatening the Machine. And they did it all without any of the CUG even being able to see what was done to them, and what was going to be done.

Good game Sentech.

Now its up to the next wave of activists to begin pressure, and to NOT interact with Sentech, and play completely into their hands.

So write the letters to newspapers. Call talk radio stations. Spraypaint SENTECH SUCKS on walls. Make leaflets and leave them
around in public places. If you work in a company, express your feelings about your Sentech service - make a factsheet and leave copies where ever you go. Write or call journalists and nag them to do an article on the plight of Sentech customers. Pester the ASA. Lay charges of fraud. Contact the public protector..

Come up with your own way to tangibly increase the 'damage' to Sentech's profits (which includes anything which affects their adspend budget's projected impact)

The beauty about accurately seeing and understanding your opponent, at least in this case, is that Sun Tzu's rules don't apply - it doesn't matter if Sentech knows most of what we're doing to them - because they can't react in any meaningful way to a widespread, public dissemination of honest facts about their service - except by increasing their adverts (which then cuts into their profits) Here and there they might try the legal blustering approach - but again - they DARE NOT end up in a court case. Financially, they can easily afford it - but it then destroys their public relations (and thus profits) completely.
So activists can operate firmly and openly at Sentech, and Sentech can read just about every little thing we plot and plan - but they cannot reduce the 'damage' that any eruption of multiple widespread campaigns will cause. Let them read everything. Let them hear about every pamphlet or leaflet drop that gets done at computer stores and hypermarkets.

'Secrecy' is a weapon that Sentech hopes we'll use - because it divides us from ourselves. This Forum never managed to prod Sentech into taking the time to discredit the CUG, by users acting in secret. It was done openly.

Now a number of the most vocal/activist/potentially damaging users have egg on their faces, and have been made to believe that 'secrecy' will somehow help in the fight against Sentech. And Sentech is winning, day after day as the forum starts realizing that the CUG was emasculated and outwitted - and a new group of activist users begins to form naturally, as they see that in reality, the CUG is currently utterly useless to them.

The new 'CUG' (when it forms) shouldn't make the same mistake in underestimating Sentech, or in failing to accurately 'see' what Sentech's strategy is, and thus, be better equipped at adopting intelligent tactics to 'damage' Sentech's profits sufficiently into providing the service we're paying for.

All power and much respek to the new folks on forum, who are in the process of becoming aware of the Profit Machine that is Sentech. Don't let the tired old fogeys on forum talk you out of doing stuff. And you don't need anyones 'approval'. Just go do what you think you'd like to do. And try not to get caught. Either by Sentech's 'gosh you're my new friend and I sympathize with you' approach - or by forumites who want you to disappear with them into secret user groups..

Action - preferably solo action that's totally unpredictable, is always good.

And action which hasn't been checked with half of the forum, is even better.

Feel free to flame or whatever, but for heavens sake, wake up and get a little more aware of the complexity of activism, and strategy - as well as losing any fear of what you think is 'authority'.

And don't confuse 'me' (the messenger) with 'the message'.

Flame me if you need to, be rude or attack away - I don't mind, I have a thick skin - but if the points I'm making are valid and/or ring true to you, ADOPT THEM. ACCEPT THEM. and USE THEM.

Remember: "War is the last resort for the unimaginative" :)

The Revolution Continues...
 

VQuest

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Welcome back LoneGunman

I'm actually replying before I've fully read your post (it's gonna take a while [:p]). I'm hoping you don't get flamed. In my opinion, if someone doesn't like what you have to say, or doesn't like reading your manuscript [:p] posts, they should just skip over them.


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keng

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Great to have you back. AND U 'rant' as much as you feel like, at least you always have something to say.
 

Kai

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yeesh!!! dude! you either spent the whole of last night on this, or you type REALLY fast!

You need me to get you another keyboard after that post?!?

heheh. welcome back LG, good to have you back! :)

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regardtv

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Welcome back LG.

While your post is certainly enlightening; it is simply an opinion. One I happen to dissagree with on many points.I won't bother taking up each point as it will end up in another pointless diatribe.

I truly hope that your convictions are now such that you'll actually participate and let your actions speak louder than your eloquent words.
 

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Welcome back LG.

<i>There go RPM's hosting costs</i>

I don't agree with everything you say, but hey, that's life....keep typing.
 

Billy

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Welcome bach LG!

The CUG has been sidelined. Look at the facts.

Meeting nearly 2 weeks ago - no minutes or REAL feedback.
Press release from "unknown sources" (Sentech) saying everything is fine.
CUG members go very quiet on the forum.

Looks like a sell out to me.
 

bb_matt

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And here I was thinking this was just a small monthly fee for a service that isn't being provided properly.

Hmmm, it's a very strange world you live in LoneGunman, you've effectively turned what is really an irritating matter into some kind of urban manifesto against an evil empire.

I see some of your points, but really, don't get too carried away here - this is a matter of internet connectivity, not national security.

I also really don't buy your explanation about the removal of your posts, but that's my opinion.

I'll say one thing, you've been very vocal in the past, but I'm not sure what you've actually done - critisise this CUG however you want, but remember, they did actually take some action.

I'm not saying I've done anything, but then, I never said I would - what have YOU done apart from write extremely long ranting posts that have repeated information in them ?
 

Comrade Borris

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Im with BB-matt here, could you actually DO something instead of slamming a group of people who as far as im concerned have done the best thing that has yet to happen with this messy situation. While its great to have such a vocal and intelligent (and possibly spiritual) asset back on the forum i still feel that your post had a lot of YAP . Now obviously a forum is all about YAP factor but i think if you were to truly show how committed you are to the cause then you would tone down the yap and pump up the action (IE. Instead of running around behind the gate barking your head off at the big nasty dog, why dont you actually try chasing the big nasty dog from the OTHER side of the gate?)

Come on LG, I know that you can definitely do this (and do it well)!

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WB LG ill read the post when i got time we need you mate you are a asset to the fight ..
 

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I don't always agree with your posts LoneGunman. But what you said there (and repeated a few hundered times [;)]) is VERY true.

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CrazyMadMan

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LG the new wave will soon start... I am taking up arms very soon; you are one of the few people who talk the truth as it is. bb_matt I disagree with the fact that you said, "you've effectively turned what is really an irritating matter into some kind of urban manifesto against an evil empire." Because if you call throwing away R700 every month a mere irritation then I think ADSL and 200 accounts should be no problem for you. This is why SA has the service it has, on all levels, because we don’t stand up and say NO YOUR SERVICE SUCKS AND I WONT SHUP UP TILL YOU FIX IT, instead we live with the little irritation. Personally have done this for too long and I cant stand it much more I’m sorry. You go LG u go boy.


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nocilah

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In short Sentech give us a degraded service which we pay for. There is no one on this forum who should be challenged or argued with. What we all have in common is a Sentech contract and they are giving us nothing.

In Germany when the consumer watch dog tells the consumer don't buy petrol for three days. They dont. This effectively prevents the price from going up due to huge reserves automatically being created.

Now I can hear people saying we are not German and this isnt Germany. Sure... I realise this... but the core of the matter is they are consumers. We shouldnt expend energy arguing here... we shouldnt expend energy here with who is right on the forums.

At the end of the day we all want an effective service... right?

Okay so the first meeting (CUG) failed in the eyes of many. We still havent gained anything tangible. Where are Sentech currently. Making profit.

Surely if we ALL put our heads together... PLAN a next move... we could really cast a victory over Sentech.

PR damage effects sign-ups which effects profit and I work at a corporation and it is only about the bottom line.

I suggest an OUG... Open User Group... we already there. We have this Forum and bless those who made it cuz it is known by the media.

Sentech are planning to launch a cell phone service. We could cripple that if we wanted. IE would you buy a certain product if you knew that company couldnt even get there other products online working properly.

LoneGunman... welcome back...

No one on this forum is wrong or right. This forum consists of oppinions. However actions speak louder then words and that is what we should focus.



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OMG.

A long letter.

BTTB sets off to make sandwiches and coffee for the long read.

Welcome back on the forum Lonegunman.[:)]

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Donovan

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Oh for heavens sakes. Let's all now start writing some fanfiction about our internet connection, because THAT is definately worth the time and effort.
 

LoneGunman

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regardtv/bbmatt & Borris - good to recieve yer flames :)
regarding me actually DOING something/'participating' - in my weekly column for newspaper X - I've done so many rants against Sentech, along with links to this forum and poopband, that my Editor has gently said I should give it a break. I won't. I've access to around 60 000+ readers per month, and have been making damn sure that as many as possible are acquainted with the facts of Sentech.

Now let me reiterate that most of what people have figured is 'doing something' actually can't achieve anything. Almost as much a waste of time as writing this lengthy dingus, in fact :p

In terms of other forms of participation, as I pointed out - Sentech know what they're doing, so united action to 'meet them' for any reason that they may suggest, is useless and meaningless.

Individual actions, stunts, publicity, anti-Sentech propaganda (and perhaps united legal actions), would appear to be the only way to go.

Do things to manipulate Sentech into being stupid enough to use its legal options against individuals, thus flushing its PR down the toilet, and providing forumites with a free stage from which to speak to the Media.

Sentech will try to avoid a 'real' legal case which drags them into court, because it supplies US with massive publicity - which Sentech can't deal with. So the worst they'll do is 'threaten' - because they cant afford to actually have a legal public court case.

What this means is - we can do just about ANYTHING we want to publicize Sentechs non-service and regardless of what they may 'say' - they lose and we win, at every step. :)

If they act against anyone legally, OR if they don't - there is a rising tide of assorted stunts and PR efforts (as there were a month or so back) against Sentech which it can't fight against.

Either it bites the bullet and accepts a lower profit and a quiet customer base, or else it tries to divert and make the vocal customers lose focus.

We shouldn't waste energy and time 'educating' 'explaining' or 'trying to get them to see how bad our problem is' - because they know it already. And any attempt by them to supposedly 'be helped' - is basically a deliberate illusion designed to deflect and defuse our take on the big picture.

'Talking' with Sentech is NOT participation in any way. As the CUG saw, 'talking' or 'meeting' with Sentech is simply a device which Sentech itself will use each time, to exploit for its own gains - be it 'positive PR' 'identifying vocal/active customers to add to their list' or 'making friends/deals with said active/vocal members to distract them' (from participating openly with the forum they formerly represented.)

The one thing they can't fight is the customer base who refuse to make friends, meet them, waste any time on telling them what they already know - and who clearly have a game plan which Sentech has to play. Up until now, the natural urge to assume that Sentech 'doesnt know what its doing' - has caused many folks to end up playing Sentech's own game, which can't be won.

The instant an attitude is taken where we assume that Sentech know exactly what they're doing - namely taking our money and supplying no service - and alerting the public in as many ways as possible - while refusing to talk or meet with them, Sentech is forced to scratch around and do one of the following, as its profits continue to fall:

1. Act legally against individuals (which it dare not do)

2. Attempt to pretend yet again, that its 'concerned' and wants to meet with users (which is unlikely to succeed as a trick a second time)

3. Try and shrug off criticism in media articles. (This can only work for a short time, and Sentech have used up much of their positive credits with the media)

4. Attempt to isolate/divide/confuse its critics (see #2)

5. Bite the bullet, and as profits fall, accept users demands and provide the service as it should be, and forgetting about the fake profit its been making over the last few months from deliberately supplying inadequate bandwidth to users paying for full bandwidth.

Using this approach and attitude may take time. But it is the most frightening one to Sentech, as they have no smokescreen in which to hide. They've had four months of receiving money, in exchange for substandard service - and used a variety of tactics on customers:

1. Said there's no problem.
2. Said each customer complaining is the only one complaining.
3. Promised to 'escalate' the problem to 'second level support'
4. Said they'd never thought of themselves as an ISP.
5. Tried to persuade customers that the sub-modem speeds were what was paid for.
6. Pretended ignorance of the technical nature of their own network.
7. Eventually acknowledged a problem. Promised to fix it.
8. Set a fix date - and used this excuse to fob off complaining customers for a further month of profit.
8. Agreed to a meeting. Used the meeting as PR material to tell the public how great their service is.

That's just some of the tactics Sentech has used, quite deliberately. So much for them being 'stupid'.

They are not as stupid as they would like customers to think. They have, up until now, succeeded in making a Profit. And that's all they want.

So go forth and Damage their profits and new-user signup projection models.

It's a two-edged sword, we're always saying WE are tied to THEM for two years.

Look at it another way, we can become as cold and calculated as they are, and make them stare in horror, realizing that THEY are tied to US for two years :)

PS - Donovan, as regards writing 'fan fiction' - I tried that, but folks werent able to cope with the things I wanted to have Michelle Potgieter submit to :p

"Oh LoneGunman" murmurs Michelle "I've never done it THAT way before.." :)
"Yesss" hissed The Gunman "Fiber-Optic cable has a variety of uses, and none of these were thought of by the manufacturers."
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'Disrespect and contempt for authority is a Good Starting Point towards having a genuine Democratic experience.'

PPS - I promise to not ever write anything this long again, on this forum. If I accidentally do, I'll start a 'Sentech Porn Fan Fiction' thread, and stay in there and make Sentech management do things they never dreamed of.
 

nocilah

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so where to from here?

We can write endless posts now about how mych Sentech Suck?
I think a www.mywirelesssucks2.co.za will go down like a bomb


myWireless 128, 64, 48, 16 - depends on its mood.
 

bb_matt

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Messages
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I completely disagree here.

I think it's entirely possible for an institution/company to ramble on willy nilly with no direction or focus when there's money to spend.

I don't think Sentech really know what they are doing and where they are going and I also don't think they are making any kind of profits.

Do the math.

If they have 3000 users, that is absolute PEANUTS - lets say those 3000 users are on the 128 contract, that's a tiny 2million per month. Consider the infrastructure that's been built - it must've cost a damn fortune !

Lonegunnmann, your talking out your ass here - you are effectively spreading FUD.

bottom line - Sentech have bitten off more than they can chew and are frantically trying to resolve thier problems.

You can't tell me that with the investment capital they have put into this, they are not concerned about the service levels - that would be total insanity. I'm very sure they are ***king themselves right now and trying to provide the service that they promised.

Whether they can manage that or not is niether here nor there as far as this thread is concerned.

What is obvious to me is that you are a bit whack ! [xx(]
 

dbnnet

Senior Member
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Messages
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bb-matt, there are only about 1800 paying customers left.
So yes... you are correct there is certainly is NO PROFIT
left for Sentech.

It gets worse....Sentech took out rather large loans to fund this fiasco.
The pack of cards is about to start folding in on itself..... and it's
Marcel Raath in a state of desperation what we are currently witnessing.

As for LG, .... yes... it's obvious to many of us here that despite his
genuine anger, he has lost the plot ... maybe it's because he failed to
step back from his chess board to see the complete picture!!!

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